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    Default Re: Proposition 8 declared unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
    I have to disagree with that ruling then. While I appreciate it is very relevant to the OP, I have been talking about the idea of homosexual marriage more in general, not specifically for California.
    Fair enough, but you still have to justify why homosexuals shouldn't be treated as equal under the law as heterosexuals, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
    I never took you as saying people should be forced to marry, my point is a minority will be denied what is being termed a 'right' for the majority.
    If you choose not to marry as an asexual you are not being denied a right anymore than a heterosexual who chooses not to marry is (I myself am one of the latter, FWIW). It's like saying someone doesn't have the right to have sex because he chooses to be abstinent. The right is there, they're just choosing not to use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
    Asexuals probably won't want to marry because of their natural condition, and so saying they can still marry like anyone else is akin to saying that heterosexual-only marriages don't discriminate against homosexual men, since they can still marry women.
    No, it's not the same thing, or even like it. I am saying that asexuals have the right (or at the very least, should have the right) to marry anyone they want (provided the other party/ies agrees, of course ). That is not the same thing as saying that homosexuals can marry, but only with someone we approve of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
    This presumes everyone would want to marry another individual, and yet those that don't will always be denied the state-granted privileges of the majority. Asexuals probably won't want to marry because of their inherent nature, so to offer privileges for marriage is surely to discriminate against these people?
    No. If the only reason you don't get married is because you choose not to, then you are not being discriminated against if someone else does. They can get married with whoever they want and then not have sex if they want. Choosing not to use your right, for whatever reason, doesn't mean that you're being discriminated against if someone else does.

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    I don't want to go into this any further since it's a little off topic (my fault), but:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
    it's not like the country has ever been a theocracy.
    Cue the "Americuh is a christian nation!!!" nutjobs.
    Last edited by The Celtic Viking; 08-06-2010 at 01:46.

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