Proposition 8 declared unconstitutional

[Rhyfelwyr]

I swear my opponenets in this thread are deliberately ignoring what I am saying.

I said I want to abolish state-recognised marriage. You can do whatever loopholes you like to convince yourself that two men living together, or (in case you object to consent from animals) a man marrying an object, are somehow the same as what a marriage has always been taken to mean. But you can't make it so.

For the purposes of this thread, just pretend that the nuclear family of a man/woman/children never historically had any value as the basic social unit. Now, can someone tell me why the government should give any two people, be they man/man or man/woman, various legal and tax privileges on the grounds of their relationship status?

Is there any reason at all to have government-recognised marriage in this day and age? As I've said, it causes real discrimination against single people as seen in the BBC article I linked to, which is especially unfair if their singleness is due to a condition such as asexuality.

It is not a flawed premise. Without government involvement in the declaration of unity and love between multiple individuals, the responsibility is snatched by the Churches who discriminate and declares that the love between people of differing lifestyles is invalid and immoral. This why the government recognition of marriage must be universal and spread to homosexuals, bisexuals, asexuals and heterosexuals and anything else I'm missing. Because only by having the right to be recognized as married officially by the government for everyone, will all love be equal. I can't think of anything more evil then declaring and thinking that one group's love is in anyway better or superior to another group's love. This is why every single person who is in favor of Prop 8 instantly loses my respect and is a bigot in my eyes.

The set criteria as shown in the 138 page document I posted, shows that government's only requirement for marriage is love. That is less requirements then any church or religion out there.

Why on earth is the government concerning itself with the values of society? If churches don't want to marry gay people then that is entirely their own business. Are gays like the left out kids in the playground, they have to go any cry to the teacher because the big kids won't let them play?

This is the free world, people don't have to like gays or approve of what they do. By all means, they deserve legal equality (which all people will only have by abolishing state-recognised marriages). But that's not enough for some people, they have to bring in the government to enforce cultural equality, social engineering at its finest. I thought the US Constitution was about protecting the lives and property of individuals, while allowing the morals of society to be free from government control. If society doesn't like gay people, it's not the job of the government to try to change that.

I don't understand the logic, to quote the bit ACIN bolded for emphasis: "only by having the right to be recognized as married officially by the government for everyone, will all love be equal". So the government feels the need to mimick a religious institution in order to make people feel equal. What next, government-approved baptisms and communion for whoever the church leaves out?