Quote Originally Posted by Frag
PJ I don't know you as someone deliberately missing the point, not that I disagree with you, but it isn't about the specifics but the institution itself. If you have a certain outlook on it, the centuries old one, then how is it not a perversion of that institution. It's an empty word for me, but can those who care keep it real? Why can't they have that? How much value will a gay marriage have for the gays once I can marry my cat anyway, really love my cat.
In order to see it as a perversion of the institution, I would have to view homosexuals, and their relationships, as somehow worth less than heterosexual relationships. I just don't.

On the other hand, as mentioned, the heterosexual divorce rate that hovers around 50% in the Western World has made marriage essentially nothing more than one level up from boyfriend/girlfriend. Yet somehow it's the gays that are going to render marriage meaningless? That happened a long time ago.

Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
It's not even that. Having a genetic predisposition to something still doesn't force others to approve of your behavior. What if arsonists were found to be born with that tendency? Would anyone think less of their behavior?
Would it not depend on the behavior? Arson is destructive. There are victims and damages involved.

It takes a much more advanced form of mental gymnastics to justify a negative attitude toward a naturally occurring, non-chosen behavior that affects no one.

Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
Don't forget, gay marriage will lead to the niece of Martin Luther King Jr. becoming extinct, why would someone support this genocide?
As worthless as her uncle.