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    To paraphrase Dara O'Briain even if I went into mass and smashed up the altar in front of everyone while flanked by two strippers I would still just be called a "Bad Catholic".
    Take away the strippers and they'll call you a "Good Protestant". Iconoclasm ftw.
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    This just doesn't make sense. Marriage is a civil institution singling out the monogamous relationship between 1 man and 1 woman as special. We, as a society, have agreed on this. If we are no longer able to agree that this type of relationship should be singled out, then we should no longer single out types of relationships. The sensible reaction to these pressures is not to single out another type of relationship which most people don't believe is special, but rather to stop doing it at all. This is a false choice.

    Long story short, if we can't all agree on what type of a relationship is special, what are we doing with this thing?

    Congratulations, anyone can now marry anyone else, for any reason. We should just do away with the special recognition and allow any one person to leave their social security benefits with any other person and be done with it. From this point forward, I only recognize marriages recognized by the Roman Catholic Church; the term "civil marriage" means nothing other than any 2 people leaving their state and Federal benefits to one another for an undetermined period of time, nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    I don't see how it would make the institution any less special. People with rabid "Marriage is SACRED, Man+Women ONLY!" arguments need to step back and read your own argument again, because it amounts to "If they can do it, then the rest of us NORMAL people won't feel as special!"
    My personal experience is that everyone who falls into the rabidly "Marriage is SACRED..." category are all strongly- to ultra-religious and have a strong holier-than-thou streak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg View Post
    This just doesn't make sense. Marriage is a civil institution singling out the monogamous relationship between 1 man and 1 woman as special. We, as a society, have agreed on this.
    No, we haven't. That's why there is a gay marriage movement.

    If we are no longer able to agree that this type of relationship should be singled out, then we should no longer single out types of relationships. The sensible reaction to these pressures is not to single out another type of relationship which most people don't believe is special, but rather to stop doing it at all. This is a false choice.

    Long story short, if we can't all agree on what type of a relationship is special, what are we doing with this thing?

    Congratulations, anyone can now marry anyone else, for any reason. We should just do away with the special recognition and allow any one person to leave their social security benefits with any other person and be done with it. From this point forward, I only recognize marriages recognized by the Roman Catholic Church; the term "civil marriage" means nothing other than any 2 people leaving their state and Federal benefits to one another for an undetermined period of time, nothing else.
    IF I CAN'T HAVE IT, NOBODY CAN!

    How can we put social pride in finding love and unity with another if we don't establish RANKS on which love is more special????


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    No, we haven't. That's why there is a gay marriage movement.
    Yes. It is odd to see someone speak with so much confidence in a societal consensus, when it is so obvious that no such consensus exists. Speak for yourself, but leave the collective 'we' out of it.

    Interestingly enough, polling suggests that, within a generation, we will return to a broad accord on this issue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg View Post
    This just doesn't make sense. Marriage is a civil institution singling out the monogamous relationship between 1 man and 1 woman as special. We, as a society, have agreed on this. If we are no longer able to agree that this type of relationship should be singled out, then we should no longer single out types of relationships. The sensible reaction to these pressures is not to single out another type of relationship which most people don't believe is special, but rather to stop doing it at all. This is a false choice.

    Long story short, if we can't all agree on what type of a relationship is special, what are we doing with this thing?

    Congratulations, anyone can now marry anyone else, for any reason. We should just do away with the special recognition and allow any one person to leave their social security benefits with any other person and be done with it. From this point forward, I only recognize marriages recognized by the Roman Catholic Church; the term "civil marriage" means nothing other than any 2 people leaving their state and Federal benefits to one another for an undetermined period of time, nothing else.
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    In my view there should be no force of law in any marraige.

    You wanna stand in front of the grand wizard of the nine nerfalans and pray to bingo the clown thats fine, but your union is just symbolic and should not have status under law.

    The idea of civil marraige or of legally recognising a religious marraige is bogus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    In my view there should be no force of law in any marraige.

    You wanna stand in front of the grand wizard of the nine nerfalans and pray to bingo the clown thats fine, but your union is just symbolic and should not have status under law.

    The idea of civil marraige or of legally recognising a religious marraige is bogus.
    I can agree to this. But, if you're asking me - will I agree that the relationship between 2 men or 2 women is worthy of special societal rerecognition? My answer is no. I can't say that is is any more special than a relationship between 2 best friends, or a brother and sister. That's the point of societal recognition, that society places a special value on the particular relationship. My point is that we wont and therefore we shouldn't.
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