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    Force Diplomacy to me is not cheating, it's reverse cheating. The AI "chests" by having every dice roll you can think of go badly for the player, and because of the way the AI works in the last 4 total war games....the other factions are all hellbent on fighting YOU and JUST you. Force Diplomacy to me is the only way I can play as any faction with some sanity. It also helps roleplaying too, since you can roleplaying historical client states, or bribes, or territory swapping for money. You can also bypass those really irritating diplomacy screen "features" like "You messed up one this turn, so no matter what you offer or give us we will never talk to you again for 3 months" or "You want t o trade maps? OUR ALLIANCE IS OVER!" or "You're being very generous, but since we cannot offer you ANYTHING, we decline". You can also prevent the turn 1 "EVERYONE DOGPILE ON THE ARCHE" business, and if you're playing as the AS you can actually make your sattelite nations actual vassal states, and force them to end when appropriate. Add_money+Force Diplomacy+Bribes or move_character can help easily get rid of those tiny armys that potential enemies like parking in your lands for some reason, though that could be considered cheating.

    Adding money to AI factions can create very interesting situations, like the Pahlav actually doing something/the AS breaking up. I also like to move_character the starting armies for AI factions, especially the ones that don't do anything. Moving the two FM's for the Sauromatae in the begining turns makes them actually do stuff.

    As for unlikely tactics for certain factions, I don't consider this cheating but bad roleplaying. If I have say, a 1-3 star general, or a general with any of the "bloodthirsty" traits, I will stack all the swordsman into one group and just rush the enemy, if I have a general with higher command I'll use actual strategy, especially if it's the time of Soldiers. If I play as the Roman's I'll use the roman checkerboard for low command and more advanced tactics for higher command. If I have a "Wants to settle" or "Nomad" general, I'll play them accordingly.

    Full elite armies aren't that great, but if I'm deep in a campaign I'll have one "Royal" army that has a higher elite-regular ratio.

    Changing capitals is something I don't do often, but If I'm playing a faction like the Gauls, who elect their leaders and start off very tribal, I'll freely move my capital anywhere in the Celtic sphere. If I'm playing a "New Persia" faction like Pontos, Pahlav, and especially Hayasdan I will move my capital to Babylon/Persis once my empire spreads to the corners of the old Persian Empire. If I'm playing a faction that is very nationalistic about it's capital, I will never ever change it (Pella, Carthage, Rome) unless I somehow lose it. I immediately change my capital to Athens as KH, and depending on the ethnicity of the current leader(except the primary leaders in 272) I'll change it accordingly. If I'm playing a nomad faction like Saka, Sauromatae, or early Pahlav, it's free reign, ,my capital can be Chignu, Babylon, Camulosadae, or Terhazza, this can change though if I consider my empire "civilized" which may or may not happen.

    Retraining elite armies is something I do depending on the .exe I'm using, rome and BI=No, Alexander=Yes. The AI in Alex.exe does actually retrain, and yes, that includes elites.

    Toggle_fow I do not consider cheating, and I use it very often. I don't use it to spot enemy armies, but I do use it to find cities that I want to conquer/negotiate with, since I forget where they are sometimes. I also tend to use it in crowded areas like Italy, Gaul, and Greece when I'm movign diplomats around, since it's irritating to see him go back and forth between two spots because there's an army blocking the way.
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    Default Re: Strategy or Cheating without codes?

    what about bridge wars?

    I have not lose any AI is incapable of blocking bridges. I have lots of heroics one that I block the bridge and place my archers on the flanks of the bridge and let the massacre begin.

    Also not adopting none - S/C/V generals = for me S but there were lots of stupid generals and governors who incited many rebellions thanks to their pompous charecter...



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    Yeah, bridge battles are pretty much a guarenteed win if you have any decent line infantry and missle troops on your side. I once fought a battle with the Casse where they threw all of their army on the bridge at the same time which became a meatgrinder, then they charged three units of chariots on the bridge which pushed half their army off the bridge.
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    What about using sallies especially if you have stone walls and a lot of cheap missile units. Sometimes you have to have 6 such units to easily defend any of your border settlements against even the strongest phalanx army. You can sally twice in two seasons and totally destroy practically any enemy... Extremely cost-effective tactics and a great chance to promote your FM... Is it C?

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    In my opinion any in-battle move or strat-map retraining/repairing/whatever goes - whatever keeps the game entertaining and fun. If the AI is going to send 3000 elites every single turn I won't have any regrets about cutting them down on a bridge or sallying.

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    Default Re: Strategy or Cheating without codes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_ View Post
    In my opinion any in-battle move or strat-map retraining/repairing/whatever goes - whatever keeps the game entertaining and fun. If the AI is going to send 3000 elites every single turn I won't have any regrets about cutting them down on a bridge or sallying.
    that's the spirit :-)



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    Default Re: Strategy or Cheating without codes?

    Exactly, if the AI is being blatantly stupid I will use cheats to resolve this (e.g.: parking a half stack in the middle of your lands which sits there for no reason and does nothing).

    The only other cheats I use are Toggle_fow - because I like to see what is happening with the other nations and add_money - to clear some of the barbarian debt (I bump myself back up to -1000 or something when I start making a profit) simply because I hate sitting there for a load of turns doing nothing because I can't afford to build or retrain anything.

    The thing that pisses me off the most right now though is the AI Makedonians...I am 50 turns in as Getai and they're running around with full stacks which have 50% Hetairoi/Hypaspistai/Agrianians/etc but they only control Mytilene, Chalkis, Byzantion and Pergamon, how they can afford that and recruit fresh every turn I don't know. If it weren't for Drapanai...

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