Why are young people such ingrates?

[InsaneApache]

Young folks eh! Always moaning about older people. You wipe their backsides, liquidize their food, bath them and put them to bed. Perhaps read them a bedtime story.

Then they hit the teens years and start mithering about changing the world. So the worlds not good enough eh? Well it was good enough when you had your bums wiped, your mouth stuffed with food and when you snuggled down to listen to Jack and the beanstalk.

Then there's the mess they make. Ever been inside a teenagers bedroom? It looks like the Bogside after a riot.

Then there's the clothes they wear. What do they think they look like? Cool? Don't make me laugh. They look like pillocks on a pillocks day out to pillockville.

I blame the parents.

[Rhyfelwyr]

You wipe their backsides, liquidize their food, bath them and put them to bed.

Yeah, and they still demand a higher pension!

Wait, wrong thread...

[Andres]

Ageism in the BR?

[Vladimir]

Very clever.

I'm right in the middle and love watching the show.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Then there's the clothes they wear. What do they think they look like? Cool? Don't make me laugh. They look like pillocks on a pillocks day out to pillockville.

Why, absolutely. And before long, these youngsters put a safety pin through their nose and play bass guitar in some punk band. What must become of the world?


Ah well, nothing that can't be solved with sitting down for a good talk combined with a right good caning afterwards.

[gaelic cowboy]

Then there's the mess they make. Ever been inside a teenagers bedroom? It looks like the Bogside after a riot.

[Skullheadhq]

What must become of the world?

That's what every generation since the stone age said about the younger generations, at least you're continuing the tradition.

[Ice]

[InsaneApache]

They'd only come back after the fogey had gone to bed and 'egg' his house.

The Victorians got it right.

Seen and not heard.

You know it makes sense.

[Gregoshi]

They'd only come back after the fogey had gone to bed and 'egg' his house.

You have to text it to them - its the only language they understand...if we can just figure out how to send a text message.

[InsaneApache]

See what we have to put up with....



Ageism at it's worst.

[Hosakawa Tito]

In every old person there's this young person saying, " What the hell happened? "

[A Nerd]

Youth is wasted on the young.

[Fragony]

HA friend of mine works as security at a supermarket. Who do they watch? The elder, they steal. Who skips lines? The elder. Who think they can still drive despite being blind? The elder. These silverheared hooligans with their senile egoism, who like to make a point out of having all the time in the world, are a plague. Some are cool of course but not nearly cold enough.

[Shaka_Khan]

I have to feel for the younger generation. I'd be depressed if I had to worry about being unemployed even with a diploma. We're the ones with the jobs, and there are not enough new jobs out there.
Actually, this trend on young university graduates being unable to get employed because their education status requires them to gain a large income started when I was in college. It took me a long time to be employed because of the lack of jobs. I heard that the situation is worse now.

[Fragony]

I have to feel for the younger generation. I'd be depressed if I had to worry about being unemployed even with a diploma.

Defiance of gravity remains uplifting

[rory_20_uk]

What's the obsession about these bits of paper? It used to be that a degree was held by c. 10% of the population. To have one you were special. Now c. 40% is getting them. Diplomas are even more widespread, as well as can mean almost anything from a 1 day course to a 2 year programme with a tough exam and coursework (Medicine has both).

If standards had been maintained and there were 40% with a degree then we'd have businesses clamouring to employ our educated, talented graduates. Seeing as this is far from the case they've merely delayed some unemployed by a few years.

[Shaka_Khan]

Well my parents and my grandparents were one of the few who had it. It was an automatic ticket for a good job from which my dad and my grandfather earned enough to support their entire family. Much of the younger generation won't experience that luxury even when they try hard in college like we did. And my grandfather supported (still supports my aunt and uncle) during a time when the birth rate was high.

[Fragony]

Rory is right you get a university degree with a pack of cornflakes. My brother is a beta-tiger, he has little love for all the knowologue studies. I am way too stupid for a real study, not the same thing when you can just recite what you just read.

[Shaka_Khan]

In the old days, you didn't need to graduate from college to get a decent job. You got a really good job if you did graduate.

[rory_20_uk]

That is still the case. GO to a good university, get a good degree from a good subject and you'll get a good job. You're not competing against those from poor universities or those with poor degrees. I don't see many Oxbridge / Imperial graduates struggling to get places yet as the Milkround is still going strong.

[Fragony]

In the old days, you didn't need to graduate from college to get a decent job. You got a really good job if you did graduate.

If you have a tech or medical education you won't have to look very long unless your social knowhow really needs a knowologue, you are snatched way before graduation.

[tibilicus]

What's the obsession about these bits of paper? It used to be that a degree was held by c. 10% of the population. To have one you were special. Now c. 40% is getting them. Diplomas are even more widespread, as well as can mean almost anything from a 1 day course to a 2 year programme with a tough exam and coursework (Medicine has both).

If standards had been maintained and there were 40% with a degree then we'd have businesses clamouring to employ our educated, talented graduates. Seeing as this is far from the case they've merely delayed some unemployed by a few years.

Only partly true. I assume students don't work for degrees and don't work to get into university like they did X number of years ago either? Sure, the "pass rate" is higher but seeming an E counts as a pass, I wouldn't worry too much.

The top universities also still ask for the same grades, mostly As. Ironically, with the current structure of the system, it's actually the top candidates who can often miss out. The straight C/D student can always find a place on a "business" course or some other vocational course whilst someone who may have hoped to achieve three As but got two As and a B could quite easily find themselves without a university place. End point being that sure, there is a clear "grade inflation", but we should also accept educational standards are improving.

8% of would-be university students will get an A* grade this year, that has addressed the grade inflation quite well. unless you feel we should go back to the day when university is for the privileged few. There are answers to the university system minus scrapping places, I'm sure an official two-tier system would be welcomed over inevitable university cuts.

[Andres]

What's the obsession about these bits of paper? It used to be that a degree was held by c. 10% of the population. To have one you were special. Now c. 40% is getting them. Diplomas are even more widespread, as well as can mean almost anything from a 1 day course to a 2 year programme with a tough exam and coursework (Medicine has both).

If standards had been maintained and there were 40% with a degree then we'd have businesses clamouring to employ our educated, talented graduates. Seeing as this is far from the case they've merely delayed some unemployed by a few years.

Some would say that university no longer being a priviledge for the rich, but open for everybody, is progress.

Don't know about Britain, but not so long ago, it wasn't self evident for e.g. the grandson of a humble carpenter to go to University and obtain a Master degree.

Maybe the 10 % from a few decades ago weren't smarter than today's 40 %; but only wealthier. They probably generally grew up in more civilised environments because of their elite background, making them appear smarter than the present days' graduates.

[naut]

The top universities also still ask for the same grades, mostly As. Ironically, with the current structure of the system, it's actually the top candidates who can often miss out. The straight C/D student can always find a place on a "business" course or some other vocational course whilst someone who may have hoped to achieve three As but got two As and a B could quite easily find themselves without a university place. End point being that sure, there is a clear "grade inflation", but we should also accept educational standards are improving.

Uh.. There's a difference between a Business course run by a Uni and a "Business Studies" course run by a tertiary institution.

To get into Business here in Aus at a good Uni requires average marks of 90% on your final school exams. So either you are mixing two concepts or everything is different in the UK.

[rory_20_uk]

Some would say that university no longer being a priviledge for the rich, but open for everybody, is progress.

Don't know about Britain, but not so long ago, it wasn't self evident for e.g. the grandson of a humble carpenter to go to University and obtain a Master degree.

Maybe the 10 % from a few decades ago weren't smarter than today's 40 %; but only wealthier. They probably generally grew up in more civilised environments because of their elite background, making them appear smarter than the present days' graduates.

Yet when my parents went to University from poor backgrounds they had full grant and no fees. They were from a Grammer school and a Scholarship to a Private school. Their parents were a plumber on one side and a clark on the other.

Massively increasing debt has reduced ability being the determining factor.

[Rhyfelwyr]

All this doom and gloom about job prospects for graduates is worrying me.

I'm hoping to get a First Class degree, it's the only way to stand out from the crowd when something like 60% of graduates are getting 2:1's.

And if you get a 2:2 or worse you may as well not have went to Uni at all.

[Beskar]

And if you get a 2:2 or worse you may as well not have went to Uni at all.

That is actually false. 2:2 can be used for a range of things, from going to a masters to going into teaching, and other things.

[HoreTore]

Get a teaching education.

I have yet to hear about a maths or science teacher without a job.

[InsaneApache]

Perhaps this is why....

http://store.aqa.org.uk/qual/gcse/qp...W-QP-NOV09.PDF

as a pose to this...

http://www.burtongrammar.co.uk/?cat=19

Dumbing down doesn't even come close.