V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[Cecil XIX]

This thread is a place where V&V players can talk about things out-of-character, or that don't belong anywhere else. This is also the place where prospective players should declare that they want to join the game.

Order for Receiving New Characters.

1. Visorslash
2. mini
3. TheLastDays
4. Cecil XIX

[Lord of Lent]

I am almost sure I'll join, so I have one question: Is Magnus still free? And if he is, what are his traits?
I'll post my permanent answer as soon as possible.

[Cecil XIX]

Magnus is taken, and at this time there is no space left for playing a character at the very start. However you're welcome to create your own character to participate Diet session, and given the size of the HRE and how we're probably going to lose several generals in the civil war it probably won't be too long before the game gives us another general.

[Lord of Lent]

Deal! I'll join with my made-up character and I'll try to take the next general.
Would you please PM me if another general is playable?

[Cecil XIX]

Of course.

[Ignoramus]

Sorry about my relatively low level of activity lately. I'm in the middle of exams which finish on Friday. So expect a great detail of activity from me after that.

[Cecil XIX]

Not to worry, there hasn't been much to be active for during the past three or four days.

[Ignoramus]

Come on guys, let's get some discussion in the Diet going! At least amongst the loyalists.

[phonicsmonkey]

well it seems to me that the Kaiser has rather thrown down the gauntlet to the rebels, and that there's not a great deal for us loyalists to add at this point..

[GeneralHankerchief]

Time to ram through the important legislation then.

[Cecil XIX]

Hey guys, since there's not any discussion happening the Diet proper (Hopefully you're all just plotting the course of the war behind the scenes), I thought I would introduce some Rules Changes for last-minute issue I though of.

Rules Change 1.1

The sentance in rule 7.3, which reads "However, in keeping with the TW series, players in involved in war are given a set turn order, just as the factions are, in the order of their timezone. Players must take their turn in order thirty-six hours to do so." shall be replaced with the sentence "All players involved in a civil war must submit their orders to the GM directly, rather than taking the save and carrying them out personally. Players have fourty-eight hours per turn to do this."

The original rule was added to avoid any 'meta-gaming' where players can gain an advantage from being able to take the save either right when it's released or right before it expires. The proposed change would also have the same effect, but would allow PvP to proceed faster. Those players who think the second idea is preferable should, of course, second this Rules Change and then vote for it.

[flyd]

Cecil, by arranging the turn order by time zone, did you want to make it possible to finish the turn in 24 hours? If so, I'm afraid the list is backwards.

If everyone's playing time is during the same time-of-day - the evening, for example - then the current list guarantees it'll take more than 24 hours. Once the first group, the Americans, get an evening, the next group to get an evening will be the Australians. But the Europeans are next on the list and already asleep, so the Australians will have to wait 24 hours. The list should go from high GMT offset to low.

Also, for subsequent turns, I'd recommend a random starting point for the list, so that the same players don't keep getting whatever advantages there are to playing early/late in the turn.

[Cecil XIX]

I see, that way the time it takes for one player to take the save is made up for by the fact that the next player is behind on the clock. I confess, I didn't think it through the way you've done. If there's no objections, I'll wait until Zim's time is up, then switch it around as flyd has suggested.

[Ignoramus]

I'm having trouble with the save - don't know why. LTC works fine, but when I load the save it returns me to the main menu. So I'll let phonicsmonkey go ahead of me while I reinstall LTC Gold.

[Ignoramus]

I've just noticed that my LTC version number is 1.04. Is that correct?

Edit: I've reinstalled LTC and I'm certain I've got LTC Gold. I have Kingdoms installed, and the game works fine, but it won't allow me to load either Password's or Zim's save.

[phonicsmonkey]

I think you need to patch Kingdoms to 1.5 before it will work. My LTC Gold is version 1.5

[Ignoramus]

I think you need to patch Kingdoms to 1.5 before it will work. My LTC Gold is version 1.5

Ah, many thanks!

[phonicsmonkey]

Ah, many thanks!

hope it works! by the way I won't be able to play the save for another six hours or so, so if you get it working before then go ahead and play. just post here to say you're taking it.

[Ignoramus]

It works, thanks.

I edited the descr_sm_factions, but there still is no family tree.

[The Celtic Viking]

Maybe this has been said somewhere and I've missed it, but I'm not completely on the clear on who's on which side. From what I understand, the spawned generals are the papists, but I don't know which ones those would be.

Edit: also, two questions: 1) as we have specific turns to take the save, I feel I have to ask this question: is it okay to ask someone else later in the line to move your character for you?

2) Has the war actually started, or do we have to make declarations first? Normally I understand we have to declare, but since this war was decided on already, I'm not sure.

[Ignoramus]

The current situation is.

Salians:

Kaiser Heinrich
Prince Henry
Leopold
Otto von Kassel

Anti-Imperialists:

Magnus von Saxony
Andreas Hümmel
Theodericus der Bartige
Ortwinus Raspe
Vaclav Premyslid

Neutral:

Lothar Zirn

[Cecil XIX]

also, two questions: 1) as we have specific turns to take the save, I feel I have to ask this question: is it okay to ask someone else later in the line to move your character for you?

2) Has the war actually started, or do we have to make declarations first? Normally I understand we have to declare, but since this war was decided on already, I'm not sure.

1) I won't allow this, as there is too much potential for abuse. However, you're worried about some RL problem affecting you in the game, PM me and I'll do what I can to make accomodations.
2) Since this is an event, both sides start out at war with each other. Specific declarations are not necessary.

[The Celtic Viking]

Thanks to both of ye. I had been under the impression that Hummel was a loyalist, so this changes my strategic thoughts a little bit.

[The Celtic Viking]

Some questions. 1) I don't have the correct names. My character, for example, is called Phillipp von Kastilien, while some others lack names totally or have the wrong ones also. Is it supposed to be like that?

No, there's a file that you should download to fix that. You can get it here. You should install it to your landstoconquer/data folder.

[barcamartin]

Ok, thanks mate! Done, and done. :)

[The Celtic Viking]

Is it just me, or has Vaclav lost his name again? I've tried reinstalling the fix, but it's still gone.

[Cecil XIX]

Is it just me, or has Vaclav lost his name again? I've tried reinstalling the fix, but it's still gone.

Hmm, now that you mention it I've got the same problem. It's not affecting Magnus either, even though his name was also added from another faction. Is everyone experiencing this?

[_Tristan_]

Gonna check right now

[_Tristan_]

Done my checking and everything's fine until save n°6 (the one I posted).

The problem seems to derive from barcamartin's save as Save n°8 misses the names already and barcamartin reported he didn't see the names or got the wrong ones, apparently missing the modified namefile in his install... So to clear things up, the solution would be to re-do the moves from barcamartin's save onwards (7 through 10) and make sure in the future that any saved game has been played with the correct install.

As it is the first turn and I think the people who played after Barca weren't involved in any major moves, it shouldn't pose too big a problem...

[Cecil XIX]

Hmm, that still doesn't explain why there's no problem with Magnus, though. I'll redo the moves myself and see if that works.