V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[phonicsmonkey]

I feel I ought to explain my actions during the event OOC as well as in. With regard to the Hamburg deal, I was originally trying to get peace and an alliance in exchange for a marriage between Agnes and their prince. unfortunately he was already married and they (cecil) basically gave me an ultimatum of hamburg or nothing, pointing out that the poles were about to take it.

At the time I didn't know who else was still playing and I also reasoned that Hamburg had been Tristan's (who had started all the issues with the Danes in the first place) and so while I knew it was now (and recently) Igno's I figured that if we came out of the event and Igno was still playing I (as Kaiser) could make it up to him somehow.

I was actually pretty pleased to get 1000 florins per turn an alliance and peace for an underdeveloped castle that only brought in 500 per turn.

As for Princess Agnes I genuinely didn't remember at the time that there was any prior arrangement. I now feel like I might have known it at some point but forgotten - maybe GH pm'd me at some stage? I have long since deleted it if that's the case.

I'm sorry if anything I did was out of the spirit of the way these games are played - it's my first one of these and I've felt all along like I was totally winging it.

Cecil, I assume that tribute from the Danes goes to the Kaiser and not to the Prinz? If it goes to me let me know and I'll give it to Igno instead.

[Cecil XIX]

I could have had Agnes marry Hummel, but I chose to have the Prinz settle the issue because he was de facto ruler at the time, and because I was hoping for some IC shenanigans.

Incidentally, if you'll look at the records you can see that of the 1000 florin tribute, 250 have gone to the Prinz for his role as de facto Kaiser while the other 750 have been going to Hummel. The former while switch to Heinrich, the de facto and de jure Kaiser, while the latter will continue to go to Hummel as a standing order until it is changed by the Kaiser.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Around the time my computer was stolen, I had three suitors for Agnes: Hummel, Otto von Kassel, and King Knud of Denmark's son as played by Cecil. I was semi-publicly entertaining offers for all three, but at the same time I knew that she was going to get married to a player character. I may have decided which of the two she was going to marry and told someone, but there are 1,803 PMs between my inbox and sent messages that I need to look through to find it, and I have no desire to do so at 3 in the morning when I have class in 7 hours.

Then my computer got stolen, and my activity steadily decreased to the point where I just never bothered to reinstall M2TW and LTC on the new machine until now, by which point everything had passed.

[phonicsmonkey]

darn it, just when we get going again we lose a character

the french eh, can't trust 'em.

[Ignoramus]

I realised that Heinrich couldn't arrive in time to come to my aid, and I figured that my cavalry would be better in the open field rather than in the city. He didn't have anything to lose, and given the way he'd been treated in the Diet at that point, he didn't care.

I'm annoyed he got killed, but there was no way to get a Hummel dynasty so it's not a huge loss.

[Nightbringer]

Well damn, I guess we don't have any more avatars do we? Sorry iggy

@ post below, dont worry about it, I only need so much intrigue on my first turn XD

[Ignoramus]

I had GH's PM somewhere, but it was about the time his PC got stolen and then the game nearly stalled.

I'm really kicking myself for attempting the sally now - it was a really stupid thing to do. Now I've gone and spoilt some developing intrigue. Sorry guys.

[phonicsmonkey]

hey, don't beat yourself up mate, it sounds like there wasn't a lot of choice anyway. those dastardly french!

I haven't been a part of other games like these but I have lurked a bit and watched them and I have to say I think that enabling the hotseat so that Cecil controls all the bad guys makes this significantly harder.

we really can't just steamroller the AI like we would do in a SP game - because it is all human controlled!

So we need to be careful how we proceed and not make too many enemies at once.

[Cecil XIX]

My sympathies Ignoramus, I was in much the same position with Sigismund. Also, please post the updated save.

[Zim]

we really can't just steamroller the AI like we would do in a SP game - because it is all human controlled!

So we need to be careful how we proceed and not make too many enemies at once.

I think that choice has been taken from us, at least until we make terms with a few of the many current enemies.

[Cecil XIX]

I think that choice has been taken from us, at least until we make terms with a few of the many current enemies.

Despite the clown face, this is a serious point. If I were coordinate France, Hungary, Poland, Milan and Venice that would be too much of an advantage for even the vast difference in skill between the players and the battle AI to bridge. That is why now, only France is human-controlled. Honestly I think I was overambitious with the hotseat function, and I intend to scale it back a bit. It may be that splitting the player factions resources between the players is enough to make things suitable difficult.

[Rowan]

Hi all, nice to see the games' going strong! I still don't have the time to start participating (you wouldn't BELIEVE how much time (and space) a 1.5 year old takes!) but I check the forums occasionally to see how things are going.

[phonicsmonkey]

Despite the clown face, this is a serious point. If I were coordinate France, Hungary, Poland, Milan and Venice that would be too much of an advantage for even the vast difference in skill between the players and the battle AI to bridge. That is why now, only France is human-controlled. Honestly I think I was overambitious with the hotseat function, and I intend to scale it back a bit. It may be that splitting the player factions resources between the players is enough to make things suitable difficult.

I like the challenge! We do need to buy ourselves some breathing space though...apart from the Kaiser and Prinz everyone is pretty much bankrupt and without armies.

[phonicsmonkey]

If I were coordinate France, Hungary, Poland, Milan and Venice that would be too much of an advantage for even the vast difference in skill between the players and the battle AI to bridge. That is why now, only France is human-controlled. Honestly I think I was overambitious with the hotseat function, and I intend to scale it back a bit. It may be that splitting the player factions resources between the players is enough to make things suitable difficult.

Just a few more thoughts on this.

You're right that you could combine all the different factions' forces and wipe us out. However, it's unlikely you'd ever do that as it wouldn't be realistic, unless of course we were really dumb and just went around picking fights with everyone at the same time.

I think there's a lot of scope to make the game richer using the hotseat function so I wouldn't give up on it yet - for example you could play out realistic wars between factions on our borders, you could develop their infrastructure in a sensible way (like a human would do) so that they become more of an implicit threat to us, things like that..best thing is you can dip in and out of it depending on how much time you have.

You could even use your god's eye view to give us snippets of information about the outside world, a diplomatic report if you like. I know I'd enjoy that and it would add to the immersion and give opportunities for roleplay.