V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[Cecil XIX]

That's a fantastic story, GH. It's amazing how King of the Romans can still bring such vivid memories to mind after all these years.

[mini]

While waiting for Ibn to create something new and exciting, I'm considering joining this one, as soon as I find my game cd's :)
What are the current available avs?

[Cecil XIX]

Right now there are no avatars available. However, it is likely that one or two will open by the end of the next diet session. In the meantime, you are welcome to participate in the discussion as your own character either independently or as part of one of the four Duchies: Austria, Bavaria, Bohemia or Holland.

[Nightbringer]

Hi all, so am I correct that we are waiting for the Third diet session before doing any more turns, and that the diet session has not yet started? Or is the third diet session just the posts in the Imperial Diet/ Rules thread.

@Cecil (your messages are maxed out)
Do you think you could tell me Jens Herden's age, traits, and stats, or give me a way to view them.
I don't want to create the character or post anything as him before I have seen those because it will bother me to no end if they don't fit together to some degree.

Sorry I'm asking so many questions, I just don't want to do anything that will screw up my options in the future (roleplay wise)

[phonicsmonkey]

hi NB, sorry I didn't answer your pm yet

yes the next turn will take place once the diet session is over. you're right in that the diet session is the posts in the diet thread as well as any polls that come out of it. you should vote in the poll too.

you should be able to access the save that Cecil posted in the saves and turn by turn thread to take a look at your character. you'll just need to install the mod first and cecil should have sent you the hotseat pw - let me know if he didn't and I'll send it by pm

[Cecil XIX]

No problem Nightbringer. The way it works is that every ten turns we "pause" the game to have three days of discussion in the Diet then two days of voting. The Third Diet Session has indeed been the posts in the Diet/Rules Thread, a seperate thread is started only for the voting since we need new polls each time. Here's a pic of Jens Herden for you, and as phonicsmonkey says you can also access the save.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The password is "Reich", it's only there so players can't access other factions. In addition, please download this. This contains three files that need to be overwritten into landstoconquer\data. They serve to revert the HRE back to a normal family tree, and also add some names from other factions.

[Cecil XIX]

Hi Cecil

it'd be great if you could post the order of play again so we all know when to take the save.

No worries phonicsmonkey, that was only for the Civil War. Now it's strictly first-come-first-served.

[Nightbringer]

Okay, I think just one more question.

What is mine? I know I have no home city, but I am in Nuremberg right now with a large army and Helmut, is that army mine to control, are any other troops mine to control? Or do I just work out which of Phonics' troops I get to control, in which case, could you please pm me phonics and tell me what I am controlling, if anything.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

While waiting for Ibn to create something new and exciting, I'm considering joining this one, as soon as I find my game cd's :)
What are the current available avs?

Perhaps this could interest you: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...EB-MP-campaign

Though, I will not start it before March-April.

[Ignoramus]

Hello again guys. Glad to join in again.

One thing though. Why wasn't Agnes married to Andreas Hummel, as per the Kaiser's agreement with me?

[phonicsmonkey]

hi buddy

that might be my fault. I was approached by the GM during the event and asked to decide what to do with Agnes. First I tried to use her as a bargaining chip to get peace with some of our foes but when that didn't work I reasoned that the Prinz would be keen to reward the loyalty of Becker...

I was not aware (or had forgotten about) the agreement between Hummel and the Kaiser.

It rings a bell now though although I can't seem to find it in the threads. Was it public, IC knowledge? (ie. should the Prinz have known about it?)

[Ignoramus]

(Don't worry, I'm not angry OC, only IC)

It might be partly my fault for not following the TIme of Troubles too closely, but I thought it was public(GH had just told me by a PM that the Kaiser was sending her north to Antwerp to marry Hummel).

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh thank God, I've been missing this kind of Diet shenanigans for so long.

Answer on Agnes is coming. I have an OOC answer, need to think of something IC.

[phonicsmonkey]

happy to play it, IC, that the Prinz just didn't know about it

[Ignoramus]

Obviously IC Hummel's very annoyed now that he's not in the Imperial family now(and I'm a little disappointed), but just go with it IC - it's the Kaiser's call.

[phonicsmonkey]

Understandable I suppose.

[Ignoramus]

Don't worry phonics - it's not your fault. I'm always very careful to keep disputes in the IC realm(something which these games allow very well). Just don't be surprised if Hummel doesn't like Leopold.

[phonicsmonkey]

hey no worries, I'm not taking this personally! Conflict is fun. And Leo can stick up for himself as you will shortly see...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Aaaaand we have liftoff, nicely done so far guys. I think I'll wait for Hummel to make his reply before the Kaiser steps in.

[phonicsmonkey]

Hummel better not reply! Leo's just getting started on the Dutchman

[Ignoramus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hümmel

[phonicsmonkey]

yes, I'm aware that he's not really Dutch, but he is Duke of Holland, hence Leo has decided to call him a Dutchman to annoy him

[phonicsmonkey]

I feel I ought to explain my actions during the event OOC as well as in. With regard to the Hamburg deal, I was originally trying to get peace and an alliance in exchange for a marriage between Agnes and their prince. unfortunately he was already married and they (cecil) basically gave me an ultimatum of hamburg or nothing, pointing out that the poles were about to take it.

At the time I didn't know who else was still playing and I also reasoned that Hamburg had been Tristan's (who had started all the issues with the Danes in the first place) and so while I knew it was now (and recently) Igno's I figured that if we came out of the event and Igno was still playing I (as Kaiser) could make it up to him somehow.

I was actually pretty pleased to get 1000 florins per turn an alliance and peace for an underdeveloped castle that only brought in 500 per turn.

As for Princess Agnes I genuinely didn't remember at the time that there was any prior arrangement. I now feel like I might have known it at some point but forgotten - maybe GH pm'd me at some stage? I have long since deleted it if that's the case.

I'm sorry if anything I did was out of the spirit of the way these games are played - it's my first one of these and I've felt all along like I was totally winging it.

Cecil, I assume that tribute from the Danes goes to the Kaiser and not to the Prinz? If it goes to me let me know and I'll give it to Igno instead.

[Cecil XIX]

I could have had Agnes marry Hummel, but I chose to have the Prinz settle the issue because he was de facto ruler at the time, and because I was hoping for some IC shenanigans.

Incidentally, if you'll look at the records you can see that of the 1000 florin tribute, 250 have gone to the Prinz for his role as de facto Kaiser while the other 750 have been going to Hummel. The former while switch to Heinrich, the de facto and de jure Kaiser, while the latter will continue to go to Hummel as a standing order until it is changed by the Kaiser.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Around the time my computer was stolen, I had three suitors for Agnes: Hummel, Otto von Kassel, and King Knud of Denmark's son as played by Cecil. I was semi-publicly entertaining offers for all three, but at the same time I knew that she was going to get married to a player character. I may have decided which of the two she was going to marry and told someone, but there are 1,803 PMs between my inbox and sent messages that I need to look through to find it, and I have no desire to do so at 3 in the morning when I have class in 7 hours.

Then my computer got stolen, and my activity steadily decreased to the point where I just never bothered to reinstall M2TW and LTC on the new machine until now, by which point everything had passed.

[phonicsmonkey]

darn it, just when we get going again we lose a character

the french eh, can't trust 'em.

[Ignoramus]

I realised that Heinrich couldn't arrive in time to come to my aid, and I figured that my cavalry would be better in the open field rather than in the city. He didn't have anything to lose, and given the way he'd been treated in the Diet at that point, he didn't care.

I'm annoyed he got killed, but there was no way to get a Hummel dynasty so it's not a huge loss.

[Nightbringer]

Well damn, I guess we don't have any more avatars do we? Sorry iggy

@ post below, dont worry about it, I only need so much intrigue on my first turn XD

[Ignoramus]

I had GH's PM somewhere, but it was about the time his PC got stolen and then the game nearly stalled.

I'm really kicking myself for attempting the sally now - it was a really stupid thing to do. Now I've gone and spoilt some developing intrigue. Sorry guys.

[phonicsmonkey]

hey, don't beat yourself up mate, it sounds like there wasn't a lot of choice anyway. those dastardly french!

I haven't been a part of other games like these but I have lurked a bit and watched them and I have to say I think that enabling the hotseat so that Cecil controls all the bad guys makes this significantly harder.

we really can't just steamroller the AI like we would do in a SP game - because it is all human controlled!

So we need to be careful how we proceed and not make too many enemies at once.