V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, so I don't like to be a complainer but I think what's happening with Milan is an exploit of a gap in our rules. My avatar besieged Milan before Zirn got there - it doesn't make any sense to me that he can assault and take the city without going through me (and my army) first.

[_Tristan_]

I do agree that I may be exploiting a loophole but there's also no guarantee I can effectively win that siege... My army is undermanned and a siege situation makes me lose any advantage I might have in using my cavalry...

As to the siege proper, Milan is a great city and it doesn't seem too farfetched to imagine one could squeeze a small force (under the same colours and talking the same language) past the besiegers and take the prize under their nose...

Plus, it makes for an interesting IC situation, I think...

But I'm willing to wait on Cecil's ruling, either way

[phonicsmonkey]

Yes that's how I'd tried to picture it but it still didn't quite sit right with me. I think Cecil's of the view that the rules don't cover this situation but that we should fix it at the next Diet, which doesn't really help me here. So I thought I'd post here about it and see what other players think. I'm not trying to make a big OOC situation out of it though, so if everyone just wants to get on with the game I'm ok with that..

[Zim]

Maybe if Lothar does push through with the siege the Prinz should have a chance to respond? For instance, by declaring war and continuing the siege against the town's new masters?

[Cecil XIX]

The only way I can see Lothar and Leopold responding to each other is by fighting each other. That requires a declaration of war. As long as one player declares war publically or in a PM to me before Milan is taken, then it would be resolved in a PvP battle. As the rules stand right now, both sides have equal claim to assaulting Milan. It's regretable that this loophole in the rule exists, but it's not something that can be changed right now.

[Zim]

Of course, settlements go to the Kaiser anyway, so they'd be fighting over how to achieve the same result.

[The Celtic Viking]

I just noticed that the town militia in Magdeburg is listed as one of the Kaiser's units. As I understood things, they were a part of the remnants from... err, what's his name... TheFlax's first guy's army, together with the spear militia that are listed as mine.

[phonicsmonkey]

The only way I can see Lothar and Leopold responding to each other is by fighting each other. That requires a declaration of war. As long as one player declares war publically or in a PM to me before Milan is taken, then it would be resolved in a PvP battle. As the rules stand right now, both sides have equal claim to assaulting Milan. It's regretable that this loophole in the rule exists, but it's not something that can be changed right now.

I would have liked to have done this, unfortunately I was offline and didn't get the chance. Of course I would prefer if it were up to him to attack me to get through but if it's the only way I can stop him then I'll do it. Could we wind back?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I am going to refrain from comment on any issue until Cecil gives his two cents.