V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[Cecil XIX]

The only way I can see Lothar and Leopold responding to each other is by fighting each other. That requires a declaration of war. As long as one player declares war publically or in a PM to me before Milan is taken, then it would be resolved in a PvP battle. As the rules stand right now, both sides have equal claim to assaulting Milan. It's regretable that this loophole in the rule exists, but it's not something that can be changed right now.

[Zim]

Of course, settlements go to the Kaiser anyway, so they'd be fighting over how to achieve the same result.

[The Celtic Viking]

I just noticed that the town militia in Magdeburg is listed as one of the Kaiser's units. As I understood things, they were a part of the remnants from... err, what's his name... TheFlax's first guy's army, together with the spear militia that are listed as mine.

[Zim]

The Reichsmarshall no doubt thanks Lothar for his 4317 florin contribution.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "one rule". After all, the Emperor now owns Genoa and Milan. Lothar gets no money or recruitment from them unless he's been awarded the provinces.

P.S. All hail the Emperor. Feel free to give both of those provinces to Elberhard, if you wish.

Save is back... Took longer than I thought but I had to fight two battles in a row

Milan has fallen to the forces of Provence... Northern Italy is unified under one rule. (No men from Prinz Leopold's army were used or harmed in the assault... They joined the battle as reinforcements but as I had control over them I let them stand by the sideline). Only 6 men of Prinz Lothar's army have been lost in the assault.

8635 florins were discovered in the merchant council coffers and added to the Principality's treasury in Genoa. A further ransom of 300 fl. was rejected.

Genoa has also been freed of the Venetian threat though at a greater cost. A ransom of some 1900 fl. was rejected by the Venetians. Genoa has gained the named of "Crown of Swords" for it is now crowned by two heroic victory markers...

Need to do some editing on pics and I'll be sure to post a few here and do a battle report this time around, though it will have to wait until tomorrow at the earliest.

[_Tristan_]

Sorry, but the Emperor still needs to assert his authority on Lothar's cities and Lothar won't relinquish any florins to the Marschall... Would you pay for armies that might march against you next season ?

You cannot make a man an outlaw and expect him to respect those same laws...

Not a penny was given to the Reich from the sack of Genoa and neither will a penny be given from the sack of Milan... Lothar might be willing to negotiate a "donation" to the Reich's treasury as a sign of goodwill but nothing more...

But let's rather discuss this IC at the Tournament maybe... Guy is always available for some debate on the state of the Reich...

[Zim]

You can't act like an outlaw by ignoring the rules and then take advantage of being a normal player to steal a city from under the nose of another player.

Sorry, but the Emperor still needs to assert his authority on Lothar's cities and Lothar won't relinquish any florins to the Marschall... Would you pay for armies that might march against you next season ?

You cannot make a man an outlaw and expect him to respect those same laws...

Not a penny was given to the Reich from the sack of Genoa and neither will a penny be given from the sack of Milan... Lothar might be willing to negotiate a "donation" to the Reich's treasury as a sign of goodwill but nothing more...

But let's rather discuss this IC at the Tournament maybe... Guy is always available for some debate on the state of the Reich...

[_Tristan_]

A bit of a grey area... I'm still an Elector of the Reich (though banned from the Diet) but I wonder how the Kaiser could extend his authority on Genoa, Milan or Marseille without recourse to force of arms... Same goes for the sacking or ransom money...

It may become a casus belli but until then I think Lothar can get away with it (though I may be proven wrong by Cecil...)

As to the assault on Milan, Cecil himself conceded that it was possible though a loophole in the rules.

Anyway, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings by acting like this... I'm rather trying to create a tense IC situation which at one point will bring one side or the other to concessions in order to make progress...

[phonicsmonkey]

The only way I can see Lothar and Leopold responding to each other is by fighting each other. That requires a declaration of war. As long as one player declares war publically or in a PM to me before Milan is taken, then it would be resolved in a PvP battle. As the rules stand right now, both sides have equal claim to assaulting Milan. It's regretable that this loophole in the rule exists, but it's not something that can be changed right now.

I would have liked to have done this, unfortunately I was offline and didn't get the chance. Of course I would prefer if it were up to him to attack me to get through but if it's the only way I can stop him then I'll do it. Could we wind back?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I am going to refrain from comment on any issue until Cecil gives his two cents.

[_Tristan_]

Ok, let us wind back to the previous save and forget I ever assaulted Milan... Lothar will just pack and go relieve the siege of Genoa...

Everybody's happy with this ?

[phonicsmonkey]

Nope, we thought of something better. Much better - no replays, no need to re-write history.

Now I'm in Genoa with you and I'm declaring war. Look forward to the battle.

[Zim]

Cecil did weigh in on Milan, even if some people disagreed. The ownership thing still confuses me though, and I don't even see how the sacking proceeds rule can be ignored...

Ok, let us wind back to the previous save and forget I ever assaulted Milan... Lothar will just pack and go relieve the siege of Genoa...

Everybody's happy with this ?

[Ignoramus]

Hey guys, sorry for my relative inactivity of late. Uni's been quite busy, but I hope to keep on top of things from now on.

[Zim]

No harm. I believe Merode is currently marching north towards Brandenburg.

Hey guys, sorry for my relative inactivity of late. Uni's been quite busy, but I hope to keep on top of things from now on.