V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[Zim]

In LotR didn't we create special rules to allow rebels more autonomy? In direct contrast to Methodios, Zirn is in every way a regular elector in the game and the only difference between him and the others is that he can't post in the Diet. Nowhere is it stated that that makees him immune to rules he disagrees with. In the bulk of games thus far the rules have been determined OOC. This has extended to settlements and money, which are especially important in any of the newer games where avatars can declare war and kill eachother. When avatars had more freedom it was a result of rules changes or exceptions (like the Cataclysm) in the rules. This game apparently has more exceptions than any past ones but noone is quite sure what they are.

Note that the rules specifying that the Marshall receives half of sacking money are in the same exact section as the rules on barring those who don't take the oath from the Diet, the rule that gives new provinces to the Kaiser, and the rules that limit who can move agents. Which of these are inviolable? Does one just cherrypick the ones they like and ignore those they don't? It's obviously not as simple as "Sections 5 and 7 are OOC and inviolable, others are not"

Using the same kind of spurious reasoning for Zirn violating multiple rules the Prinz should have been able to stop you and when Phonics was unclear about whether he could he was not given time respond after a decision was made. Then later that same turn you declare "sorry, but these other rules don't apply to me". Phonics could then easily justify, using the same kind of "IC" logic, his being able to march into Geno before a declaration of war, even though that wasn't his intent (he just noted there was no "warrning period" for declaring war and thought it was ok). The rules can't just apply when they convenience Lothar and not when they don't.

There certainly is a difference between cheating and just making someone feel they've been cheated. It's not at all clear whether one has been done or both.