V&V OOC/Signup Thread I

[Zim]

See what I mean? Obviously some court fool recently escaped from some minor monarch's retinue, now entertaining us with his nonsense sentences.

[TheLastDays]

Oh well, I think I am able to form my own opinion on the political situation... :P

I like charming rogues... although I hated french in school that could be a problem ^^

EDIT: And just to keep the tradition of forgetting something in all my posts, which I have to edit in afterwards: What's keeping us from going any further in the game?

[phonicsmonkey]

I like charming rogues...

you might want to delay your decision until it is known which of Zirn or the Prinz will survive the upcoming battle...

[TheLastDays]

Oh that with the upcoming battle might also explain my second question...

Who said I was going to decide for a side right away? It could be a while before I get an avatar anyways, so no need to hurry ;)

[Zim]

More seriously, there is a tradition of new avatars joining the House of their character's "parent" (most current family members came up via adoptions). However, I'm not sure there's any rule requiring or even suggesting it has to happen, and Austria has been getting rather big.

Right now I'm not sure Lothar Zirn has any official status, except as owner of Marseilles. If he wins this upcoming battle and the Emperor is in a mood to parley that could chance. You have a rather large (mostly in avatars, not in land) Austria in the southeast. Note the Turks have a human player so that's a dangerous region. In the north the Margrave and his heir (the latter an Austrian transplant). I suspect by the next Diet or so there will be a third duchy, maybe based around Lothar if he wins, or someone else otherwise. The emperor has expressed the desire to bring back Bavaria.

Although the game can't continue until the pvp battle is resolved (and the gm is setting up an event for it) there's nothing really stopping us from continuing to roleplay. I think we've just been waiting to see what happens.

[TheLastDays]

I see... but Lothar doesn't really have a great chance in the upcoming battle, right?
Is it allowed to take the save just to have a look at the current situation?

[The Celtic Viking]

Yeah, you can do that.

[TheLastDays]

So, am I correct that right now Lothar is kind of "besieged" by the Prince? I mean he is locked in the city, just before the prince attacking him right?

[phonicsmonkey]

I see... but Lothar doesn't really have a great chance in the upcoming battle, right?

Dont be so sure - the forces are not that unequal and Tristan is as wily as Reynard

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dont be so sure - the forces are not that unequal and Tristan is as wily as Reynard

Turkish comment:

I'm afraid to attack the Reich because Tristan controls at least one unit. Even Jalal the Unstoppable doesn't want to touch that with a thousand foot minaret.

[TheLastDays]

Yeah my last question was kinda for roleplay reasons more ;) but good to know...
and the turks should really stay out of this as long as there is a unit of worn out levies in the Reich, even uncontrolled by anyone :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah my last question was kinda for roleplay reasons more ;) but good to know...
and the turks should really stay out of this as long as there is a unit of worn out levies in the Reich, even uncontrolled by anyone :P

23 turns later...

[_Tristan_]

I have the save and will attempt to get it done after I've taken a nap. Just did a whole 3.5 hours worth of host-related duties. Sincere apologies for the delay.

That sucks... I needed to do some last minute changes but was awaiting an answer from Cecil before that... I thought the turn was still on

[Zim]

I kind of thought we still had the battle/event this turn as well. And I know Nightbringer was waiting on info before taking the save.

[Cecil XIX]

The link to the save doesn't work I'm afraid.

Sorry I'm such a n00b but how does this work now? Do I need to pm you something other than "I attack Lothar Zirn" to get things rolling?

The only difference is that instead of interacting with the game directly, you do it by sending orders through me so I can resolve them simultaneously. This eliminates unfair advantages from someone taking the save first, without prolonging the turn any further like the normal rules. Though I could allow construction and recruitment in settlements to take place as normal, if that makes things easier. Also I've updated the save in the Saves Thread.

[phonicsmonkey]

but if we're going to battle immediately there's no time for construction and recruitment right? I mean when I entered Genoa I declared war and intended to immediately attack Lothar. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something.

EDIT: I don't mean to come across like I'm picking holes in everything, but I'm just really confused about what is supposed to be happening...effectively 18 months have now passed since I entered Genoa and we haven't had a battle yet? It's a bit weird...also he has been able to spend some of the money I don't think he should have been able to get in the first place!

Anyway, Happy Easter, hope you're having a nice long weekend.

[Cecil XIX]

but if we're going to battle immediately there's no time for construction and recruitment right? I mean when I entered Genoa I declared war and intended to immediately attack Lothar. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something.

EDIT: I don't mean to come across like I'm picking holes in everything, but I'm just really confused about what is supposed to be happening...effectively 18 months have now passed since I entered Genoa and we haven't had a battle yet? It's a bit weird...also he has been able to spend some of the money I don't think he should have been able to get in the first place!

Anyway, Happy Easter, hope you're having a nice long weekend.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but I really wanted to try out these new rules. I think we can all agree that the initial Civil War dragged on for far too long, and as it stands those rules are still in place. No one will be able to recruit any new units before the battle starts. As for the 18 months... That's so heavily abstracted in this game that I don't think it can count for anything. The characters aged six months in those eighteen, for example.

[Cecil XIX]

Map is posted, along with an updated word document with smaller unit cards sized for the map.

[phonicsmonkey]

No one will be able to recruit any new units before the battle starts.

Where did the ships come from then? This whole scenario is predicated on there being some 'hesitancy' which allows him to 'slip away' yet again and hire merc ships. I don't agree at all, there was no hesitation - I marched into Genoa and immediately declared war on him fully intending there to be an immediate battle.

I don't think there should be any chance of escape onto ships. We should fight, straight up, winner takes all.

EDIT: also, I got to Genoa second, so if anything he should have to fight his way through me to get out. (Like he should have had to do at Milan, after he should have had to fight his way through me to get in).

[_Tristan_]

Seeing all the resentment my behaviour seems to bring, let's just declare that upon Leopold's entry into Genoa, Lothar surrenders unconditionnally and be done with it...

[TheLastDays]

Why is there a problem? The way I understood Cecil's post and battle-thread, Lothar has to fight to get out, right? So what's the deal?

[The Celtic Viking]

Seeing all the resentment my behaviour seems to bring, let's just declare that upon Leopold's entry into Genoa, Lothar surrenders unconditionnally and be done with it...

No, please, lets not. The ships might need an explanation/justification, but I don't think that we should let OOC issues influence IC decisions. If you still wish to surrender, then you should do it because that makes the most sense to Lothar, and not to appease someone OOC.

[_Tristan_]

In truth, it makes sense both IC and OOC... So let's not bother with this...

I'm sorry Cecil had to go through so much work but I don't think this could work out... If ever Lothar managed (through luck or skill) to escape the Genoan trap, it would leave Phonics (and others as well, perhaps) with a sour taste...

I'll try and have an IC post up to explain the surrender...

[The Celtic Viking]

Aw, I was looking forward to the battle. Perhaps I will have to rebel after all!

[phonicsmonkey]

I don't want to spoil anyone's fun here. I'll just shut up and we'll fight the battle as Cecil has laid it out.

[_Tristan_]

Neither was it my will to ruin yours, Phonics... Which I think I did nonetheless... Of this, I'm sorry but for now, I'll just roll over and submit...

[phonicsmonkey]

To be honest I think I'd feel worse if you surrendered than if we fought and your character escaped. So let's go ahead and fight the battle, it will be more fun that way for everyone.

I feel I should apologize to everyone (particularly Cecil) for my moaning behaviour. Whatever the rights and wrongs there comes a point where you have to let something go and I passed that point without realising it.

In my defence I'm tired and working too hard (this is my third city in as many days and I leave again tonight), taking things too seriously and I should have slept before posting.

[_Tristan_]

I've been contacted by PM by Cecil and explained my PoV to him... I don't hold any grudge and completely understand why you may have felt "cheated" by my taking of Milan under your nose (To be true, I was sure you'd take it before me but felt I had to make a point and lay siege nonetheless...)...

My choice of surrendering is not only OOC but IC as well. I explained it to Cecil and I'm ready to explain it to you as well.

I think the whole thing could be resolved through a good write-up between the three of us and I'm looking forward to it

[phonicsmonkey]

I've been contacted by PM by Cecil and explained my PoV to him... I don't hold any grudge and completely understand why you may have felt "cheated" by my taking of Milan under your nose (To be true, I was sure you'd take it before me but felt I had to make a point and lay siege nonetheless...)...

My choice of surrendering is not only OOC but IC as well. I explained it to Cecil and I'm ready to explain it to you as well.

I think the whole thing could be resolved through a good write-up between the three of us and I'm looking forward to it

I think we can get a cracking story out of all this. When I next get some proper downtime I'll start to write something and send it to you so we can collaborate.

[Zim]

No battle? That's it, TheFlax's character, I declare war. You can have half the units in the stack I'm in, or if their rightful owners protest, our bodyguards can just run at eachother.