The one exception, I think, is in their skirmishers - I find Camillan skirmishers very useful. By the Polybian Era they're just dead weight. But I suppose that works from a role-playing perspective - Rome's army is becoming more professional and is thus moving toward more heavy infantry and a reliance on allies to provide the lighter stuff. On the whole though, I agree with you Atilius - Polybian units are significantly better. -M