Hello Everyone

[Magyar Khan]

well i feel sadly with koc here, i will remain optimistic when it comes to sp and mp campaigning in a way swoosh experienced it in ntw..... but last nights we did some 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 battles in ntw and the joy of epicness of battles is very low..... i can write a full story of whats missing but in short......

we are too busy micromanaging army path and checking giving commands what takes focus from reading the battle..... some are....
- checking more than needed where are units in the woods
- checking if units dont march off towards the enemy cuz the line of sight is blocked by a bump or just by a bug
- checking and redrawing gosts near hills, bumps and buildings
- checking which army is yours or not, in case enemy has same faction.....
- cav turns slow and requires extra attentioon when u -fake- charge in towards skirmishers and move them back.....
- most maps i saw are close to useless for hardcore e-sports...... some will be fine if u play an home&away battle and winner is calculated based on 2 matches
- grouping
- when u chat and u select unit your pointer stays in chatbox... when u want to chat u must press in it first

some of these u will get into it ofcourse....

so when it comes to the casual online gamer i think shogun2 will do fine.... when it comes to 4 vs 4 like in its original i have my doubts but when it comes to ladderfighting and testing who is the best "battlereader" i have my doubts....

i still remember the original shogun demo..... from teh first moment i played that i knew it gameplay was perfect.... simple banners.... simple gameplay, full focus on the chesspart of the battle...

so my main problem is here that ur too busy with things that dont add to the gamejoy..... when u want to experience epic battles u want to get into the battle not into messing with the gui and maps.

[AMP]

That's exactly the same for me... I find myself double checking more than I should be and that's time lost reading the battle. In NTW it's worse compared to STW that's for sure and I think STW2 once again will have most of the same problems in NTW.

Sad part is when some of them been around since the beginning of STW! And for them to be around so long it made me feel like I was the only one it bothered. Thank God I'm not alone ;)

Will it ever change? that is the question...

[Swoosh So]

Quote from amp in 2v2 the other night after beating an opponent and only losing 300 odd men.
"damn if that run command worked properly id lose 2 less units!" hehe

In agree tho i spend far too much time micromanaging units, thats fine if they do what i tell them but when you have to spend half an eternity getting a cav to shift it, its kinda not on. Im constantly checking units 3 or 4 times to see if they started to run like i told them. This may be ok vs the ai but vs some 1000 game player your going to suffer. another thing that gets me is sometimes you cant even tell by the unit card if they run or not - so frustrating takes a few seconds to show then to your horror theyre still walking. We need a run command not a run toggle and one that works 100% ie says to the unit i dont care what ur doing run!