DISCUSSION Multiplayer in battle communication....

**Gregoshi** · 09-06-2010, 16:18

Koc, you are talking about playing the game at a very high skill level that not many will attain (relatively speaking). However, think about training new clan members on how to better play the game, or those who don't know what their team mates will be doing instinctively (new players/casual players/random matchups). Communications tools such as being discussed here don't have to be used, but you can't use a tool that was never added to the game.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 09-06-2010, 16:27

I got to agree with Greg on the issue of the skill. There was only 3 people in 6 years of my MP career where we could do things in 2v2's and not think about each other per say.

**Kocmoc** · 09-06-2010, 16:31

Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Koc, you are talking about playing the game at a very high skill level that not many will attain (relatively speaking). However, think about training new clan members on how to better play the game, or those who don't know what their team mates will be doing instinctively (new players/casual players/random matchups). Communications tools such as being discussed here don't have to be used, but you can't use a tool that was never added to the game.

I think, that this kinda of idea/tool will be used, its useful.

I personal think, that new player will learn the fastest, if they watch replays or as spectator. If you want to train your team/clan you just join with 6 or 8 friends and noone is goin to attack, you just train movement.

In the end, this is about communication, if i just look from the topic pov, than i admit, that this will help.

The way this game is played, the basics are interesting in the first place. If the game keeps like it is now. That everyone can move with the camera around and see anything, than i dont think that we will need much better communication.

One thing i would like to see are hotkeys for camera points.
The way is easy done, same like doppleclick a unit somewhere, the camera moves quick over, there could be waypoints.

This way you could set some points, without the need of a unit. Even with max speed (shift + the keys) i need probably 2 sec to move from one side to the other, 2 sec is a lot of time....

edit: let me add one more thing, today many things people learn from watching vids, while back in 2000 many "secrets" kept within a few player, there were many little tricks which
made the difference and let you hold for quite long or even win 1v2. Let me bring the defender advance in MTW, shooting was always won by the defender...
The game evolved, in the early days many armies was setup and than walked into each other...

My point is, the difference is many times the small things, it can be very frustrating for player to lose, while thy do anything "right".
Can we make that seen? can we publish that?
I had a train camp running back in STW, each Sunday i did show real new player the basics, the effect of a hill, the doubling, effect of moral....standards.

I wish there where little vids out, where new player would see the effect of a charge, the outcome of different units.
How to react, in certain situations.

Raise the knowledge of new player, they surely wont use that all, but they at least know and can work with the knowledge.

In another tread i already wrote about the main problem of TW, if you want to turn the game in a massiv MP game.
the game is complex, not for me and not for other who played it some years, but for new player it is complex and it can become frustrating.
The quick victory wont happen many times. This has to be the main goal for us and CA, to ensure, that new player get quick into the game.

Right now you dont find enough infos, not in the game itself and surely not here on this forum. I admit, i didnt searched for it, maybe there are guides out.
Most successful games out there has guides, written by player, with tons of information vids and posts.

Here i see some discussion goin, but most for experienced player, almost nothing for new.

**UglyElmo2** · 09-07-2010, 02:26

The Fearful Ways clan was probably the first group to master 4v4 Teamplay. We earned it by attacking 1000's of difficult maps against some of the top defender/campers in the game. Many clans followed and surpassed us, but our original 4 (Fucyuman, BlackShip, Obake and myself) could always give the top 4v4 teams a difficult time. Which is amazing, because I was not a very good player. My army was always the first to rout and my teammates always had to save my butt . . . but it worked for us. After all those difficult attacks on those horrible maps (Tosa mountain comes to mind) my Fear teammates pretty much knew what I was going to do and would cover me and use my sacrificed army to envelope and destroy the remaining enemy. We discussed what we were going to do before the game started, and once things began, we didn't really type that much unless it was to joke around or laugh at someone's mistake. We never took ourselves too seriously back then. :)

So what Kocmoc is saying is true: The communication function will benefit the new players more than the veteran. It will make things easier for them until they find a team that they know like the back of their own hand, and until they learn the complexities of the game . . . if there are any after seeing the releases after MTW VI.