The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

[Joooray]

Well, I don't know what you try to achieve, Secura. If you tell the truth, it wouldn't make much sense to vote for you, just to try out your ability as we would loose a precious lynch that way. However, it could also be a clever ploy for keeping us from lynching you. (See no further than Renata in Zelda-Mafia)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and Tullianium: White_Eyes to start putting some pressure on people DE suggested.

We should hit a mafia today though, town is already spreading pretty thin.

[Secura]

we would loose a precious lynch that way.

That would also be the case if you voted to execute me though, so it's very much catch-22.

[Joooray]

That would also be the case if you voted to execute me though, so it's very much catch-22.

Sorry, I'm not quite following, or do you just mean it would make no difference if we would vote to exile or execute you, like you said before?

[TheFlax]

Sorry, I'm not quite following, or do you just mean it would make no difference if we would vote to exile or execute you, like you said before?

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

[Joooray]

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

[...] I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, [...]

That's what I interpreted as being immune to both.

Interesting, how vehemently you defend Sec, btw.

[TheFlax]

Interesting, how vehemently you defend Sec, btw.

"Interesting" is such a scummy word Joooray

There's nothing vehement about what I said regarding Secura, I just think the whole voting for oneself is a null tell. Got anything else? And if you consider what you said about her a "case" then why voted WE instead of her?

[Joooray]

There's nothing vehement about what I said regarding Secura, I just think the whole voting for oneself is a null tell. Got anything else? And if you consider what you said about her a "case" then why voted WE instead of her?

Because I don't actually think there is a good case against Secura. I was just presenting my train of thought, which then got out of hand.

Also, again, I don't think there is a strong case against W_E, however there is little good case against anybody and being silent has proven to be scummy at times, thus my vote.
But again, I'm happy to vote for somebody else, against who there is a better case, any time.

@GE: I doubt Cicero would be aware of the loyalty of a lot of people, as it would make it very easy for us to lynch the right ones. He may be able to investigate loyalty though, at least that would be an ability that would make sense in the setting.
Also he accused me last round, and since I know I'm not disloyal to the republic, he can't be aware of all the standings.

[TheFlax]

YLC and WE simply didn't show up last round, IIRC.

Joooray, you seem to be taking the easy way out. What happens if WE doesn't show up? You just go for the lynch, hoping blindly to hit mafia. For all we know DE could be scum, though I doubt, I am leery of fact you simply jumped at his suggestion with nary a thought. Anything other than low activity makes WE scummy?

Also, it seems the only other person you find scummy besides the low activity posters is Secura? Because she self-voted a couple of times? I'll grant you that testing her power by wasting a lynch is not the best of plans, but how is that scummy and how is it keeping us from lynching her? I'm pretty sure its a null tell at worst, in all probability she isn't scum though.

Tullianium: Joooray

What do people think of a name claim? Helpful, unhelpful?

[Joooray]

Joooray, you seem to be taking the easy way out. What happens if WE doesn't show up? You just go for the lynch, hoping blindly to hit mafia. For all we know DE could be scum, though I doubt, I am leery of fact you simply jumped at his suggestion with nary a thought. Anything other than low activity makes WE scummy?

True, I was never one to come up with good reasons to vote for someone, I'm more on the commenting on other cases side. So I admit, DE's accusation present a welcome possibility to jump on. Granted I was led by the believe DE wasn't mafia, because of his name and that there were still two individual night kills.

I'd be happy to comment any other case that comes up and maybe join it. Sorry, the time I have doesn't allowing much else. All I hoped was that my vote would spark discussion, which apparently it has, if that gets me lynched in the end so be it.

Also, it seems the only other person you find scummy besides the low activity posters is Secura? Because she self-voted a couple of times? I'll grant you that testing her power by wasting a lynch is not the best of plans, but how is that scummy and how is it keeping us from lynching her? I'm pretty sure its a null tell at worst, in all probability she isn't scum though.

Well, if we were to trust Secura's claim, we wouldn't be testing her ability, because it's a wasted lynch. What better way is there to keep people from lynching oneself.
Especially in combination with a claim that she isn't proficient in the history of that particular period of time and thus making it unlikely she'd come up with a fake role that would make such an ability possible. Granted, such a prominent figure is most likely in the game and Secura would have been aware of that and if she is not that person we should have seen a counter-claim. However, she might have devised her abilities to that role.
Not saying Secura is a good lynch, but I don't think my case is completely without merits.

What do people think of a name claim? Helpful, unhelpful?

Most probably not, I guess, I don't think CB would make the game so easy that one can decipher one's affiliation merely by the name. Also as stated elsewhere, who was on whose side is not that well documented after all, thus open to interpretation by our honourable GM.

[Secura]

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

That's correct; my ability states:

As a sitting Consul you have Imperium which entails immunity from prosecution thus you may not be exiled at any point.

Thus, I'm immune to exile and executing me is to remove yet another townie; catch-22, potential waste of a lynch either way, but at least an exile attempt would show that I told the truth and wouldn't just help the mafia on their way to victory.

Well, if we were to trust Secura's claim, we wouldn't be testing her ability, because it's a wasted lynch. What better way is there to keep people from lynching oneself.

I dunno, maybe not being honest about my ability (which was revealed with no actual pressure), keeping schtum in general and not posting would have been a better idea? ¬_¬

Granted, such a prominent figure is most likely in the game and Secura would have been aware of that and if she is not that person we should have seen a counter-claim.

How would I have been aware of that? I thought this game was a piece of fiction; if you're actually referring to my knowledge of history, then I'm sorry to inform you that I'm principally a modern-day historian, my speciality being events from 1896 (from the coronation of Tsar Nicholas II) to 1990 (the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification of Germany) but I've got rough knowledge from 1400 onwards.

My knowledge of Ancient Rome (and indeed Greece and Egypt) is limited, in this case to the bare facts of Caesar and the expanding empire, as well as typical Roman living and worship; additionally, considering I learned this stuff back in 1999-2000 (when I was twelve!), it's all but forgotten anyway. It's actually the main reason I wish to teach 14-16 year olds rather than younger age-groups; I won't have to brush up on my 'ancient world' knowledge because much of the GCSE syllabus studies Russia, World War 1 & 2, the Weimar Republic and the Cold War.

As for name-claiming, I believe that it's a moot point; as I stated previously, I don't believe that there are any cover roles in this game because of the very nature of the mechanics. I think that the Cicero-Cataline face-off kinda limits role-revealing as you'd be painting yourself as a target if you were one of the more important roles.

Imagine if you were one of the two main Cicero followers (thus, town-aligned) and you revealed yourself in-thread after being pressed by the other players; you're then ensuring that you die the following night and render the reveal to be pointless.

I think Blackadder counted on this sense of restraint in role-reveals and thus didn't provide any cover roles in the game; it's entirely up to you and everyone else whether or not you believe that my role as Hybrida is fake, I can't really convince any more than I already have.

As for the earlier reference to Zelda, how about I refer to Inavi; where my name was mentioned as a lynch target, I did everything as I have here to defend myself and was lynched for it... only to be proven as an innocent?

[God Emperor]

Imo the best thing you can do is to wait for csargo to show up and vote for someone. He is bound to know more than the rest. That is if Romanic and Beskar wasn't his guardians. They were close friends of Csargo according to the writeup .
For what it's worth, I think Secura is telling the truth.

[Beskar]

Well, that sucked.