Global Climate Disruption.

[InsaneApache]

I think we might be nearing a tipping point.

The 92-year-old now says he is “not worried about sea-level rises”, which he believes will rise two foot a century “at worst”, and complains “the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion”.

He said wind farms were “ugly and useless”, instead supporting nuclear power and fracking, arguing Britain should be “going mad” on methane.

Professor Lovelock is most famous for his Gaia theory, formulated in the 1960s to explain the Earth’s environment as a regulating organism to sustain life.

The theory has been the foundation of many of the beliefs around climate change and energy production.

In an interview with the Guardian, Prof Lovelock has now said he had become more of “a thinker” since retiring from practising science, and is now moving to a seaside home in Dorset.

Speaking about environmentalists, he said: “It's just the way the humans are that if there's a cause of some sort, a religion starts forming around it.

“It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion. I don't think people have noticed that, but it's got all the sort of terms that religions use.

“The greens use guilt. You can't win people round by saying they are guilty for putting CO2 in the air.”

Is 'green religion' taking over from the Christian religion?

Yes

He also criticised politicians for the way they have handled energy issues.

“I'm neither strongly left nor right, but I detest the Liberal Democrats,” he explained. "They are all well-meaning, but they have mostly had little experience of power.

“The coalition has behaved disgracefully on environmental and energy policies. It would have been much better if they had been properly rightwing.

“I don't mean something like Thatcher; that was a revolutionary Conservative government. Just a regular one. Our political system works because they tend to self-correct each other.”

Earlier this year, he admitted he had made "mistake" in being so certain about some of his climate predictions, conceding he had been “extrapolating too far”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...ge-expert.html

[Fragony]

I think we might be nearing a tipping point

Doubt it, they will just continue on repeating, repeat repeat repeat, preferably on schools the younger the better. Sceptics cannot hope to have their budget for indoctrination, nor the networks to even give them acces to media.

[CBR]

Fritz Vahrenholt...hmm where did I see something about him, oh yeah!

http://www.skepticalscience.com/frit...te-change.html

Frankly if Vahrenholt can't even accurately read the 18-page SPM [ IPCC summary for policymakers ], it's exceptionally difficult to take him seriously. His subsequent comments in the interview reveal that he has been very selective about what scientific research he chooses to accept.

And lots of other goodies there.

James Lovelock has made numerous outrageous predictions before so why should we care about him? It's not like climatology is based on his research is it?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...imate-science/

[Major Robert Dump]

I have 47 mature trees on my property and plan on growing more. The way I see it, that gives me 47 carbon credits, 5 of which I have used:

1. Dumping Freon
2. Flushing my used motor oil down the toilet at the state fair
3. Burning tires
4. Shooting a bald eagle
5. Dumping Freon

I have 42 credits left until my newly planted trees mature to the point of my current ones, which I expect will take about 78 years, so I have to pace myself on the freon dumping etc.

If everyone followed simple rules like mine and lived like I did, this old earth of ours would be a better place for my children.

[Strike For The South]

I have 47 mature trees on my property and plan on growing more. The way I see it, that gives me 47 carbon credits, 5 of which I have used:

1. Dumping Freon
2. Flushing my used motor oil down the toilet at the state fair
3. Burning tires
4. Shooting a bald eagle
5. Dumping Freon

I have 42 credits left until my newly planted trees mature to the point of my current ones, which I expect will take about 78 years, so I have to pace myself on the freon dumping etc.

If everyone followed simple rules like mine and lived like I did, this old earth of ours would be a better place for my children.

See the joke here is carbon credits don't really solve anything. MRD could be postulating the only way to change anything is by slowing consumption but I have long since given up assuming anything about him other than his irrevrency and crippiling manic depresion

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

See the joke here is carbon credits don't really solve anything. MRD could be postulating the only way to change anything is by slowing consumption but I have long since given up assuming anything about him other than his irrevrency and crippiling manic depresion

Well "Carbon Credits" would work if the exchange was 2:1 - i.e. every time you do something bad plant two trees.

People should be rewarded for doing good things though.

It comes down to this - you wouldn't pipe the exhaust of your car back into the cab unless you wanted to kill yourself. Apply that to the planet and the argument is over.

[Major Robert Dump]

I should not have to plant anything to make up for my pollution if I buy property with a bunch of Carbon Credits already growing on it. When I paid for the land, I bought the unused Carbon Credits from the owner.

I mean, this is how US Cap and Trade works, right? IIRC, that was the most groundbreaking-est, awesome-est, green-est environment saving invention ever from the government, certainly not a tax money grab like everyone said.

So, Philipvs, keep your government out of my carbon credits

[Fragony]

Fritz Vahrenholt...hmm where did I see something about him, oh yeah!

http://www.skepticalscience.com/frit...te-change.html



And lots of other goodies there.

James Lovelock has made numerous outrageous predictions before so why should we care about him? It's not like climatology is based on his research is it?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...imate-science/

Isn't about his predictions, it's about him understanding that the green movement is a religion REPENT or the apocalypse will cometh

[CBR]

His old claims of doom did not have the science to back them up with nor does his new claims. Examples were provided in my link above. Same link ends with:

But until he actually reads the scientific literature, his thoughts on climate will continue to have, well, no basis in science.

But I guess this prophet-of-the-week-who-confirms-my-belief cherry picking is easier.

[Fragony]

His old claims of doom did not have the science to back them up with nor does his new claims. Examples were provided in my link above. Same link ends with:


But I guess this prophet-of-the-week-who-confirms-my-belief cherry picking is easier.

For my position the mere fact that unlike the IPCC claims the science isn't settled, not everybody agrees we should be absolutely terrified of CO2 and that we are all going to be KILLED with DEATH if we do not act RIGHT NOW. And isn't the IPCC the champion in cheery-picking, there have now been so many gates that there aren't enough gardens

[CBR]

Read about the settled science bit here http://www.skepticalscience.com/settled-science.htm There is both a basic and intermediate answer (and same thing with other two Skeptical Science links)

For IPCC http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc...-consensus.htm

So many gates you say. I guess the biggest one was the hacked emails and stuff:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Clim...ils-hacked.htm

But there are other gates too as mentioned here (yes I know it is a longer text, but that is life for you)
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...acts-and-spin/

But a few videos would be easier perhaps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OB2prBtVFo

If you care so much about cherry picking, then why not also care about how much you are being manipulated by the "skeptics" ?

But since you have problems with acid rain and CFC gases too, I doubt the above links will do much. But gotta try anyway.