Global Climate Disruption.

[Fragony]

Fritz Vahrenholt...hmm where did I see something about him, oh yeah!

http://www.skepticalscience.com/frit...te-change.html



And lots of other goodies there.

James Lovelock has made numerous outrageous predictions before so why should we care about him? It's not like climatology is based on his research is it?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...imate-science/

Isn't about his predictions, it's about him understanding that the green movement is a religion REPENT or the apocalypse will cometh

[CBR]

His old claims of doom did not have the science to back them up with nor does his new claims. Examples were provided in my link above. Same link ends with:

But until he actually reads the scientific literature, his thoughts on climate will continue to have, well, no basis in science.

But I guess this prophet-of-the-week-who-confirms-my-belief cherry picking is easier.

[Fragony]

His old claims of doom did not have the science to back them up with nor does his new claims. Examples were provided in my link above. Same link ends with:


But I guess this prophet-of-the-week-who-confirms-my-belief cherry picking is easier.

For my position the mere fact that unlike the IPCC claims the science isn't settled, not everybody agrees we should be absolutely terrified of CO2 and that we are all going to be KILLED with DEATH if we do not act RIGHT NOW. And isn't the IPCC the champion in cheery-picking, there have now been so many gates that there aren't enough gardens

[CBR]

Read about the settled science bit here http://www.skepticalscience.com/settled-science.htm There is both a basic and intermediate answer (and same thing with other two Skeptical Science links)

For IPCC http://www.skepticalscience.com/ipcc...-consensus.htm

So many gates you say. I guess the biggest one was the hacked emails and stuff:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Clim...ils-hacked.htm

But there are other gates too as mentioned here (yes I know it is a longer text, but that is life for you)
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...acts-and-spin/

But a few videos would be easier perhaps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OB2prBtVFo

If you care so much about cherry picking, then why not also care about how much you are being manipulated by the "skeptics" ?

But since you have problems with acid rain and CFC gases too, I doubt the above links will do much. But gotta try anyway.

[Fragony]

How could sceptics manipulate me in the same way believers can?

[CBR]

Lovelock is one example of how a believer(doomist) can make claims that have no scientific basis. There might be more examples and who knows, maybe the stereotypical hippie treehugger, who claims we need to go back to be hunter gatherers or Earth will die, is out there somewhere.

Skeptical Science has a list of the most common skeptical arguments: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

In post #384 I encouraged people to watch the Climate Change videos made by Potholer54
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...F0994AFB057BB8 In several of the videos he does show how "skeptics" either manipulate or gets things totally wrong, and how it can spread to the mainstream media because people simply don't bother to read what the scientists are actually saying. But at least watch the third and fourth video in case you don't want to watch all 4 hours combined.

That does not mean that misleading information only comes from the "skeptical" side and Potholer54 also provide examples of that in at least one of his videos. Us "mortals" are not always served well by the media, as some journalists are not doing a good enough job on a complex subject.

I got more videos and several links with lots of text and graphs if you are interested, but as my cat has done a Sudetenland on my computerchair it will have to wait until I can check my bookmarks.

[Fragony]

It spreads to mainstream media? I didn't notice any sceptics in it maybe that's just me. It will remain in the bloggosphere because sceptics have no acces to it