What would be different if there was no police

**Ironside** · 09-26-2010, 21:59

Building on what already mentioned. Who will actually investigate the commited crimes properly and who will be getting those nice police powers in that case?

**Fragony** · 09-27-2010, 07:40

Originally Posted by Ironside

Building on what already mentioned. Who will actually investigate the commited crimes properly and who will be getting those nice police powers in that case?

Civil court can investigate crimes And no police powers, at all, only surveillance.

**Ironside** · 09-27-2010, 09:18

Originally Posted by Fragony

Civil court can investigate crimes And no police powers, at all, only surveillance.

So who will be legally able to stop that car with the criminal? Or arresting people outside the immidiate action to prevent a crime that leads to prison? Body search?

I take it the court i state owned and cooperates with the private companies for say practical use of warrants then? To be able to act on a warrent is a police power btw.

CR, if you privatize the police, who will take care of the fines? Or are all fine crimes going to be jail or decriminalized? Yes giving the police the abillity to gain money on some crimes is stupid, but I can't really find that getting a private company doing the same is going to improve the situation. I mean think of those poor shareholders.

**Fragony** · 09-27-2010, 09:52

Originally Posted by Ironside

So who will be legally able to stop that car with the criminal? Or arresting people outside the immidiate action to prevent a crime that leads to prison? Body search?

Private security can do that just as well, better because fining isn't of their job. Cheaper as well. Imho police has lost all creditable they are nothing but a nuissance. There is many that can go wrong, it takes a lot of personal responsibility towards the community of course, but like it is now a lot is also wrong. Worth experimenting with, a small or medium-sized town should be perfect as lab.

**rory_20_uk** · 09-27-2010, 10:15

Using the UK as an example, if the Police were to be disbanded and a security firm were to get above itself, there is still MI5 and of course the Army. No, not a subtle tool but enough of a cudgel to keep the contractors in-line. In london rich areas are already paying for contractors to patrol the area. These receive a fraction of the pay that Plod does and do the same job (be seen in a hi-vis jacket). Are they detectives? No. Do they need to be? No.

Personally I think that local policing should be privatised and then the UK needs something like the FBI for the bigger crimes that the locals can't deal with.

This should also be coupled with a proper overhaul of laws, decriminalising drugs and prostitution to allow persons to focus on crimes.

Centre of town areas then face the real costs of cheap alcohol. No longer is it cross-subsidised by everyone else. Loads of drunk people = increased rates of crime disturbance. Local businesses will have to fork out to cover costs which will push up prices. Higher prices will mean less are attracted to cause problem, so an equilibrium will be reached (no one wants a riot that will destroy their business).

I imagine that crime in poor areas is more likely to be the drugs / prostitution / "antisocial behaviour" - you don't burgle someone who'se got nothing. So, by legalising the first two these will decrease in relevance. The third one is far harder to sort out. Unless it is thought that persons are coming in from affluent areas to cause havoc it's an in-area problem - but often extremely small in terms of numbers. If this lot were to be reported by those in the area and given tagged curfews this problem would reduce too. As Frag says, at the moment the police don't bother with these areas at all and so tumble in to worsening nightmares. Give the locals responsibility for themselves will help dispel apathy.

**Husar** · 09-27-2010, 11:40

Or maybe the mob of poor drunk people will storm into the better neighborhoods, overwhelm the 4 security guards in front of your house and then take everything. the security guards on the other side of the street will just watch as they're not getting paid to guard that house.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Private security can do that just as well, better because fining isn't of their job.

Right now it's not their job, that's right, but if you give them more power they will gladly do that because they're all in it for the money.
Plus, if you're not fining people for reckless driving anymore, what do you think will happen to traffic accidents?

**rory_20_uk** · 09-27-2010, 11:50

As opposed to now where there are precisely no police on the corner... Currently there are many more police on Monday morning than Friday night in many areas. Genius... If they were privately contracted they'd be more when required, not more when it was pleasant to be at work.

As you are probably aware, the area in a circle increases at a faster rate than the circumference. Areas would pool resources to keep as many on the edge as possible.

Reckless driving is a still a criminal offence. Offenders could then pay a large penalty and loose their license and car.

**spmetla** · 09-27-2010, 09:32

Well in a country farming region like mine I'd rather have police that patrol and are at least 30 minutes away then have it be completely wild west out here. We already have our guns and castle laws, but that doesn't stop there from drug addicts that go up and down the coast stealing cars and breaking in homes. Sure farmers could hire security guards but without a police force that has the legal authority to pursue people beyond property limits and piece together patterns to I don't see what would stop the criminals around here except getting in a shootout with them and winning. I don't want to have to execute a seven samurai script with my various neighbors every time there's a problem of crime waves.

Fines are annoying, but I rarely get any aside from parking tickets (damn fire hydrants), I'd rather know that my taxes go to a uniformly trained security/law enforcement force then have to hire bodyguards everytime I leave my property. Besides speeding (within the liberty limit of 5mph) and parking I obey all the laws and have had nothing but good service from the police, I appreciate their random roadblock/sobriety checks during the holidays and don't really mind the speed limits to much.

I see no advantage to a community of hundreds of small independent farmers having various private security guards instead of a police force, if you can't see the advantage to police in a city either then you seem to have lived a privileged life during which you've never needed them.