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    Default Re: What would be different if there was no police

    Quote Originally Posted by jabarto View Post
    Well spoken. It's nice to see that we can agree on some-

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    It's quite easy to see; which does the government come down hardest on - private companies or other government agencies?

    Why did Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac escape the regulations put on the private financial industry? Why is Blackwater investigated for killing people but prosecuting attorneys can lie, hide exculpatory evidence, etc., and not be punished? If my statement is incorrect, why do police officers get away with things that private security officers would be thrown in jail for decades for?

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    Default Re: What would be different if there was no police

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Why did Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac escape the regulations put on the private financial industry? Why is Blackwater investigated for killing people but prosecuting attorneys can lie, hide exculpatory evidence, etc., and not be punished? If my statement is incorrect, why do police officers get away with things that private security officers would be thrown in jail for decades for?
    Perhaps because it's America, where everybody hates and boycots the government as good as they can (except in times of war) so everything the government does is only half-arsed?
    Despite the claims of some lunatic fringe, the police here is pretty okay, you get a few black sheep but overall police officers are very nice here.
    A lot of the speed cameras set up here are set up by the local governments to make money, the police usually puts them up in places where a lot of accidents happen and it's mostly temporary, for a day or two, plus it's usually your own fault for going over the speed limit, can they fine you if you're below the speed limit in the US?
    US cops are also much more on alert because everyone could have a weapon, they probably get trained thinking if they treat you nicely you will draw a gun and shoot them or something, you're the Wild West and it shows whenever there is a potential conflict. Then you also have a lot of emphasis on corporate identity everywhere, this could explain why they cover eachother, a completely overdone sense of being a collective.
    The answer is not to abandon the police force, but to change it, change the training methods, instill in them not just the methods to overcome a gun-bearing lunatic but also a pride in serving the community, show them respect as a citizen for keeping you safe etc.
    And kick everyone out who shows violent behaviour, the people overlooking the police force should primarily be interested in keeping a good image of the police force or they shouldn't have that job. the problems you mention are not inherent in any police force around the world, they are a problem with how your police force is organized, trained etc. IMO.

    Private contractors have no moral responsibility towards anyone except the people paying them, how would the government control them if the government has no power to stop them if they refuse to be controlled? Or would you just send the national guard? Which, again, is not an option in all countries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    It's quite easy to see; which does the government come down hardest on - private companies or other government agencies?

    Why did Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac escape the regulations put on the private financial industry? Why is Blackwater investigated for killing people but prosecuting attorneys can lie, hide exculpatory evidence, etc., and not be punished? If my statement is incorrect, why do police officers get away with things that private security officers would be thrown in jail for decades for?

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    On the other hand which man with a gun is subject to proper Congressional oversight and scrutiny if Congress wants to: the soldier in the US Army, or the private contractor from Blackwater that Congress doesn't even know about unless it asks persisently? Hint it's not the Blackwater guy, he's just some random employee of some private company Congress can not exert direct influence on.

    EDIT: What the USA would benefit from here is clearly a more centralised approach towards how police and attorneys are organised. This way the problem of accountability is solved more easily because it is clear who is responsible for what and it is possible to suspend or substitute a failing part in the chain more easily. But that requires cutting on the cherished state rights.
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