Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
And so by your use of that verse, you just condemned Paul, Matthew, John, the rest of the disciples, and called Jesus a sinner.
How on earth would you arrive at that conclusion? Me quoting a passage that cautions us not to judge others equals me judging the gospel writers and Jesus in your mind?

Matthew 7 is indeed another great example. "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."

for those who try to do that with Romans 2:1 and Matthew 7:1 with the judge not lest ye be judged thing, they are are of course, ironically, passing judgment on you for judging people
Once again, I'm puzzled as to how you arrive at this conclusion. There is a huge difference between saying "Passing judgment on others is bad" and "You're passing judgment on others and you are bad." The second is hypocritical and the bible repeatedly cautions against this. Not passing judgment on others is a common biblical theme seen again in John8 "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." The common thread is that we're all sinners (unless you're claiming to be a saint), and as such, we need to concern ourselves with our own failings rather than busying ourselves with condemning others.