Celtic Houses

[Brennus]

Sorry to be a pain but I have a queery for the team regarding Celtic settlement patterns. Will EBII be able to represent the differences in Celtic house shapes between regions (namely roundhouses in Britain, Ireland and NW Spain and rectangular houses in Gaul and central Spain)? Or does the MTW2 engine prohibit such differences?

And if it is possible would it be possible to represent the changes in house styles over time (rectangular, stone foundation houses were built in Late Iron Age Britain and conversely roundhouses began to be constructed in northern Gaul) or regional settlement patterns (British banjo enclosures, Gallo-Belgic Ferme Indigenes or Frisian longhouses)?

Once again thanks for the great work!

[Ludens]

In R:TW battlemap and campaign-map buildings were tied to culture, not faction, so it wasn't possible (and editing battlemap structures was very frustrating). I don't know if this has changed for M2:TW, but if it is, it's probably not a priority.

[Foot]

Sorry to be a pain but I have a queery for the team regarding Celtic settlement patterns. Will EBII be able to represent the differences in Celtic house shapes between regions (namely roundhouses in Britain, Ireland and NW Spain and rectangular houses in Gaul and central Spain)? Or does the MTW2 engine prohibit such differences?

And if it is possible would it be possible to represent the changes in house styles over time (rectangular, stone foundation houses were built in Late Iron Age Britain and conversely roundhouses began to be constructed in northern Gaul) or regional settlement patterns (British banjo enclosures, Gallo-Belgic Ferme Indigenes or Frisian longhouses)?

Once again thanks for the great work!

Its not possible to show different changes in architecture by region (well it is, but that requires unique settlement plans for each settlement, and that has a number of drawbacks and we aren't going to do it). We can show change over period, but that is tied to settlement size rather than date. However, as these are not a priority it is very unlikely that you will see this at the stage of development that it could be given what we can do in MTW2.

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[WinsingtonIII]

Just so you know, Brennus, there has been a World Editor tool released for M2TW. It's a modder-created tool, and it's located here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=323503

However, using it is a very time-consuming and complex process, and it's still ultimately a work in progress. Even so, I just thought I'd let you know that it exists in case you have any modding ability and were interested in creating unique battle-map settlements.

[Maeran]

I have no modding experience whatsoever. But I have been hoping something like this would come out because I was always concerned about the building ruining the 'mood'. So I'll have a go and let you know if I produce anything worthwhile.

[Brennus]

Just so you know, Brennus, there has been a World Editor tool released for M2TW. It's a modder-created tool, and it's located here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=323503

However, using it is a very time-consuming and complex process, and it's still ultimately a work in progress. Even so, I just thought I'd let you know that it exists in case you have any modding ability and were interested in creating unique battle-map settlements.

Thanks for link WinsingtonIII but my technological skills are only just better than those of Bronze Age peoples.

[WinsingtonIII]

Thanks for link WinsingtonIII but my technological skills are only just better than those of Bronze Age peoples.

Haha, me too unfortunately. But I just thought I'd share.

[cmacq]

Sorry to be a pain but I have a queery for the team regarding Celtic settlement patterns. Will EBII be able to represent the differences in Celtic house shapes between regions (namely roundhouses in Britain, Ireland and NW Spain and rectangular houses in Gaul and central Spain)? Or does the MTW2 engine prohibit such differences?

And if it is possible would it be possible to represent the changes in house styles over time (rectangular, stone foundation houses were built in Late Iron Age Britain and conversely roundhouses began to be constructed in northern Gaul) or regional settlement patterns (British banjo enclosures, Gallo-Belgic Ferme Indigenes or Frisian longhouses)?

Once again thanks for the great work!

What are these Longhouses, and why are they called Frisian???

[M to the A]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...x-Langhuis.jpg

They excisted out of 3 compartiments of various hights which I guess other longhouses do not? I can only find stuff about them in the middle ages though

http://www.bertsgeschiedenissite.nl/..._ijzertijd.jpg

Found this pic of a reconstructed building in Orvelte from 7bc, which doesn't really look like the first image i put up :P

[cmacq]

They excisted out of 3 compartiments of various hights which I guess other longhouses do not? I can only find stuff about them in the middle ages though

Found this pic of a reconstructed building in Orvelte from 7bc, which doesn't really look like the first image i put up :P

tks somuch, but the questions were directed towards Brennus for a reason.

[Brennus]

What are these Longhouses, and why are they called Frisian???

From my understanding communal longhouses existed in the Northern Belgic areas and modern Netherlands in the area of modern day Frisia, although my knowledge of settlement in this region is not particulalry good so I would not be surprised if you proved me wrong.

[M to the A]

tks somuch, but the questions were directed towards Brennus for a reason.

Ok, sorry

[cmacq]

From my understanding communal longhouses existed in the Northern Belgic areas and modern Netherlands in the area of modern day Frisia, although my knowledge of settlement in this region is not particulalry good so I would not be surprised if you proved me wrong.

'Au contraire mon frere,' hoped you might prove me right. From my understanding these Longhouses do not occur in the Netherlands and northwest Germany in the EIA until the LpRIA. Typically, in the Netherlands and northwest Germany in the EpRIA the Hasp- and Oss-type 'ish' houses were built. By the way, these house types were very similar to the Byre House, as found in Denmark. Nonetheless, I do see these longhouses of the Netherlands and northwest Germany (yet for historic reasons the LpRIA, ERIA, and LRIA Longhouses of Demark we might assign to the Eotones [jutes], later ones of course to the Danes) as part of the Frisian material culture, but just wondered if others have recently come to the same conclusion. Despite what I have read to the contrary, the evidence is simply overwhelming. As well these Longhouses seem to act as a very distinct cultural footprint, as a sign post up ahead, telling us, from where the Frisian ethnos came.

Another question, do you have access to examples of pRIA Belgae residential architecture?

[cmacq]

Ok, sorry

de schuld is allemaal van mij, dan neem mij niet kwalijk, Ik neem aan dat je Nederlands spreken?? Toch, als je weet over de vroege ijzertijd (bijvoorbeeld Laat Hallstatt, La Tène, Vroege pre-Romeinse, Laat pre-Romeinse, of Vroeg-Romeinse) residentiële architectuur van Nederland, je opmerkingen zijn meer dan welkom. Inderdaad, meer dan welkom. Begraving gegevens frm dezelfde periode zou ook geweldig zijn. Dank u wel, voor alle hulp die u kan bieden.


Ou serait mauvais français bien meilleur que mon néerlandais monstrueux, oder wenn in der deutschen besser gesagt, als in Französisch oder Niederländisch, fordi I gerning, og i ord, er mit engelsk faktisk nok ærgerligt!!! Vi giver det velkommen. Som det ligeledes sin der er blevet sagt "Der er mere mellem Asgård og Midgård, end der drømte om i vores filosofi. "

[Brennus]

pRIA?

[cmacq]

pRIA?

sorry

pre Roman Iron Age

[Brennus]

Only from memory I am afraid, I am away from my university library so I only have a limited number of sources discussing Celtic architecture and most them discuss Insular architecture. If you have any questions I will try to answer.