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    Default Church leaders do not believe in a literal understanding of the Bible

    I read this in my local paper the other day and really wanted to reply to the discussion, but since you have to register with your RL details and security number to be allowed into the discussion under your national registered and confirmed name, I had to let it pass (grievously).

    I especially wanted to reply to the second reader entry and I am perplexed that nobody did.

    Article in Bergensavisen:

    Three of four Norwegian Christian leaders believe that Genesis is only a pictorial narrative.
    Only half believe the story of Noah's ark is historic.
    This is the result of a small study ‘Vårt Land’ has carried out among 58 priests and pastors in Norway. 200 were asked, but only 58 answered the survey.
    Half said they believed in evolution, while a third did not believe in evolution.
    While more than half said that they thought that the story of Noah's ark and the flood is a historical event.


    The Bishop in Bjørgvin (Bergen), Halvor Nordhaug, thinks a literal view of Genesis and the Flood is problematic at best.

    - I think some people make it incredibly difficult for both themselves and others if they are to create a contradiction between the biblical creation story and what modern research reveals.
    It is completely unnecessary, and it makes faith difficult, he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svein
    What ignorant people think or believe, whether priest or bishop, lay, or scholar, it is written in the Bible, 2 Timothy 3, 16 -17 that: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, THAT GOD MAY BE PERFECT MAN, made ​​fit for every good work.
    It says ALL scripture, not just some, or only partially, but ALL scripture.

    It also says in John 7, 38: "Whoever believes in me (Jesus) as scripture says, from his heart will flow rivers of living water." (The living water = Spirit who gives life)

    Had the priests and ordinary people had God-belief, so it would not be dry and little life, as in most churches around the country.
    And this we can largely thank atheists from the left side, which has been seen to take away the foundation of a good, blessed, harmonious society, by removing Christian education from schools and to a large extent, also from our churches.
    This by ordaining priests and priestesses, bishops and bishops inside, which is not grounded in the Word of God, and that replaces the word with humanism and human traditions, and activities that have nothing in common with God's Word.
    May the Lord open their eyes so they can see what hope they have been called to.


    I think he has a grievance towards the ungodly people of Norway not supporting the established institution of the church. But he is shouting in his introductory. And he is shouting that ALL scripture is God's word verbatim. You say straw man, because he is not saying this in the text. I have had enough discussions with Christians to know what lies behind the use of 2.Timothy. They are using it to prove an infallible Bible, to prove that all scripture has been given (KJ). In this case giving the nature of the article, a literal understanding of the Bible as it is written - hence Genisis creation story and the deluge should be understood as Gods own words and thereby historical fact.

    I would have countered with a question of - what is ALL scripture? in particular - which books? Who decides what is scripture and what is not? Luther? Athanasius? Jerome?

    But the survey does suggest a modernization of the church, something that Christian conservatives doesn't realize have already happened in the church several times over since the death of its figure head. Welcome to Christianity
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    Christianity in "generally cobbled together nonsense" shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Christianity in "generally cobbled together nonsense" shock.


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    Vårt Land. That made me chuckle.

    Is this something new? A lot of people believe in literal interpretations of the bible and don't like being told otherwise. Is this part of a political game or just a survey?

    Anyway, until you people change your flag you'll still be advocating state sponsored Christianity.


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    My response to the Bishop would be, "yes, and?".

    I blame poor teaching, atheists claim that you have to choose between God and Science, then religious people claim Saint Paul demands adherence to litteral interpretation of the written word.

    Both are fundamentally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Both are fundamentally wrong.
    I sincerely hope that was a pun.

    When the contents of your holy book is decided by a council held well over a millenium ago you don't really ever have the right to claim that your book is the whole and literal truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Christianity in "generally cobbled together nonsense" shock.
    I find it harder to understand those who state they totally believe something that is mutually contradictory.

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