Multiculturalism is dead

[al Roumi]

Wait, you're telling me during times of economic hardship easily recognizable minorty groups are being singled out and deomnized?

This is amazing and unprecedented.

Has someone told the Germans Irish Jews Italians Poles Asians Mexicans?

[al Roumi]

For my part, as a self-confessed multiculturalist, I think the main failing of the policy is precisely that it doesn't actually stimulate or rather neccessitate broad cross cultural interaction. What I like about the policy is that it allows such exchange and (at its best) values diversity, I am saddened to see ghettoisation or complete non-integration -for whatever reason.

As has been alluded to by others already, the reason some immigrants do not learn the native language is ultimately because they don't have to. There are often large enough communities from the same background (due to the natural tendency for people to huddle around what is familiar in an unfamiliar world/country) that it is possible for a given individual to deal almost entirely with people speaking their mother-tongue, never mind go about the same daily business/lifestyle as in their homeland.

I admit this seems a bit strange to people of the "host" country, and as I said above, I think it's a shame. However, the reason people emmigrate is perhaps different to what some immagine, in that it is surely based on (usually short term, even if 10-20 years) economic incentive rather than accession to a different culture -it should therefore be (depressingly) unsurprising that some have no interest in integration to the host country and its culture.

Personaly, I think it would be fair for those seeking residency to pass a basic level of English (Edit: perhaps with subsidised classes), although this should not be expected for those seeking asylum -which is a whole other kettle of fish.

[Fragony]

I also enjoy life in my multicultural town and the multicuisine and of course I like black women, not the point, multiculturalism is a dangerous form of social-enginering. There is an idea behind it, it's an ambitious pacifist ideoligy to combat nationalism, by transforming the cultural landscape.

[al Roumi]

I also enjoy life in my multicultural town and the multicuisine and of course I like black women, not the point, multiculturalism is a dangerous form of social-enginering. There is an idea behind it, it's an ambitious pacifist ideoligy to combat nationalism, by transforming the cultural landscape.

There was me thinking it was one way (of a few) to accomodate the modern world's economic migrants into their host nations.

[Fragony]

There was me thinking it was one way (of a few) to accomodate the modern world's economic migrants into their host nations.

In it's philosophical roots they aren't supposed to integrate, if people have no affinity with their own culture they are less likely to pick up arms to defend it. It's a political theory, a dangerous one.

[Strike For The South]

I also enjoy life in my multicultural town and the multicuisine and of course I like black women, not the point, multiculturalism is a dangerous form of social-enginering. There is an idea behind it, it's an ambitious pacifist ideoligy to combat nationalism, by transforming the cultural landscape.

So your family has been occupying the same swap drained land for eons and eons?

"Multicultralism" is an unfortunate by product of the 24 hrs news cycle and modern post industrial socitey. Humans have been transversing the continents for years intermingling and yes even settling in new places. Such movement is intertwined with the human condition and can not be stopped. Soon after the modern state was created the torch of hating diffetent people was passed for the church to the government.

Both institutions had a vested interest in keeping a scapegoat. Immagration and the movement of peoples is unstoppable and to assume that somehow the Germans can put up a sign that says no vacancy is even more impossible. Times are tough for allot of reasons. The least of which being because the Turk down the street can't say Guten Tag and wont take the meat off the kebab.

Now this is not a wholesale endorsement of unlimited immagration OR the culture that some bring. Of course my veiw on immigration is closely related to economics and as such is outside the purview of this thread.

Things such as honor killings and repression of women have no place in a civllized socitey (no matter what the ethnic group) As more immigrants and there children rise to the middle class such stigmas will fade.

It always has been about money and power, the rest is just white noise meant to distract and demonize.

[Fragony]

Times aren't tough, crisis is non-existant for the average German, no scapegoat needed. It's something else, people are tired of politicians blaming the weatherman for the existance of rain. Good. Bad part of it is that problems that used to be downplayed are now exegarated, it will pass. Europe is just recovering from the latest insanity.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Times aren't tough, crisis is non-existant for the average German, no scapegoat needed.

Win.

[miotas]

People are getting worked up over nothing. Even if the people who move there don't want to learn the local lingo, their kids will. Unless you want to chuck a North Korea, multicultural societies and integration are both unavoidable.