Multiculturalism is dead

[Fragony]

Although, the New Atheists are pretty ignorant about Christianity and violently oppose it - so I suppose you do have a corralation in fact.

How so? Violent no disrespectful yes, imho you should just deal with that, asking me to alter my daily business out of respect for your imaginary friends is much more intrusive than mocking said intrusion could ever be.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

How so? Violent no disrespectful yes, imho you should just deal with that, asking me to alter my daily business out of respect for your imaginary friends is much more intrusive than mocking said intrusion could ever be.

Not physically violent, but if you look at the invective that Dawkins, "religion is the cause of most wars" Hitches "religion ruins everything" or Pullman "I want to destroy the foundation of Christianity" you get the distinct impression this is more than just reasoned dislike, or even disdain.

Do you not think?

[Fragony]

Not physically violent, but if you look at the invective that Dawkins, "religion is the cause of most wars" Hitches "religion ruins everything" or Pullman "I want to destroy the foundation of Christianity" you get the distinct impression this is more than just reasoned dislike, or even disdain.

Do you not think?

Obvious attacks, but I agree with them, and they can go in with a stretched leg I don't mind really

[Hax]

Still, India would be a much more miserable place today were it not for Western interference.

In the eyes of people from the West, yeah, and I agree. However, Muslim Indian scholars viewed the British raj as the Dar al-Harb.

[Fragony]

Anything non-islamic can be that, it means 'house of war', land of unbelievers.

[Hax]

Anything non-islamic can be that, it means 'house of war', land of unbelievers.

I'm quite aware, thank you very much. I must correct you however, land of unbelievers is "dar al-kufr", meaning (literally) "house of the non-believers.

However, several Islamic scholars (especially from Persia) have said that a non-Shari'a state can very well be a dar al-salaam.

[Fragony]

I'm quite aware, thank you very much. I must correct you however, land of unbelievers is "dar al-kufr", meaning (literally) "house of the non-believers.

However, several Islamic scholars (especially from Persia) have said that a non-Shari'a state can very well be a dar al-salaam.

Don't bs me I know my stuff, it simply means territory not yet under islam.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In the eyes of people from the West, yeah, and I agree. However, Muslim Indian scholars viewed the British raj as the Dar al-Harb.

Non sequitur.

[Hax]

Non sequitur.

I don't know, it might be very important.

Since there apparently is a problem with Islam?

EDIT: Also, hey look, a self-describing post!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Obvious attacks, but I agree with them, and they can go in with a stretched leg I don't mind really

Agreeing with them is one thing, hurling hatred and bile at a significant proportion of the population because they don't agree with you is not healthy. In fact, believing religion is "evil" or that religious beliefs "cause evil" is also unhealthy, because it assumes that, up until no more than 200 years ago pretty much everyone and everything was motivated by evil.

That's a Renaissance prejudice against the "ignorant" people of the past, it's a form of cultural self-hate, and it is inacurate.

So, it can't really be seen as intellectually very healthy.

Can it?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Nope, only ignorance does that.

This ignores the reactionary nature of almost every extreme political/social movement.

How so? Violent no disrespectful yes, imho you should just deal with that, asking me to alter my daily business out of respect for your imaginary friends is much more intrusive than mocking said intrusion could ever be.

With you 100%, atheists should be free to hate on me all they like and I should be free to be a Bible-bashing lunatic. If I hear one more person talk about the importance of 'respect' between different people then I will go and pimp-slap the **** out of them. I feel the urge to pimp-slap people a lot these days...

'Respect' is one of those buzzwords the left likes to use to guilt-trip everyone into thinking like them and loving the people they do. There is no force more unstoppable or followed so blindly than "leftist moral outrage", my favourite term that I havent' used for a whlie now.

I hear people talking a lot about Christians moralising but I don't see it, it always seems to be a leftie that has to find something to be offended about. And worse they have to control everyone so that they can't offend them.

Bear in mind though, these are the attitudes not just of actual lefties, but also the centre-right. They're going to start pushing me to the old-style "far-right" as it is inappropriately called if things continue...

[Furunculus]

With you 100%, atheists should be free to hate on me all they like and I should be free to be a Bible-bashing lunatic. If I hear one more person talk about the importance of 'respect' between different people then I will go and pimp-slap the **** out of them. I feel the urge to pimp-slap people a lot these days...

'Respect' is one of those buzzwords the left likes to use to guilt-trip everyone into thinking like them and loving the people they do. There is no force more unstoppable or followed so blindly than "leftist moral outrage", my favourite term that I havent' used for a whlie now.

this is why i prefer the ye olde' english ideal of; "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!"
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mrs_Patrick_Campbell

don't interfere with my life, and i won't interfere in yours.

[Hax]

Don't bs me I know my stuff, it simply means territory not yet under islam.

Don't be silly now. The Muzzies Muslims themselves can hardly agree on what constitutes "dar al-salaam", "dar al-harb" and "dar al-kufr". It's not something you, especially not you or me in that respect can pinpoint. Besides, it's not even a term from the Qur'an or Hadiths, but something a 13th century scholar made up to divide the world neatly into a world of non-believers and believers when it was important, military. You know, with the Mongols and all that?

[Fragony]

Don't be silly now. The Muzzies Muslims themselves can hardly agree on what constitutes "dar al-salaam", "dar al-harb" and "dar al-kufr". It's not something you, especially not you or me in that respect can pinpoint. Besides, it's not even a term from the Qur'an or Hadiths, but something a 13th century scholar made up to divide the world neatly into a world of non-believers and believers when it was important, military. You know, with the Mongols and all that?

Goes further back it's a core principle, bit like it was for the coralignans to devide the world into this and that, but that was then and now is now anyway. No such thing as burning witches in the bible, but it happened anyway.

[Hax]

Goes further back it's a core principle, bit like it was for the coralignans to devide the world into this and that, but that was then and now is now anyway.

Oh no, no, no. The concept of dar al-Islam was something of a vague term until the 13th century scholar Abu Hanifa.

[Fragony]

Oh no, no, no. The concept of dar al-Islam was something of a vague term until the 13th century scholar Abu Hanifa.

Your wrong, from the beginning there was the house of war 'Dar al Harb' and 'Dar al Islaam'. Don't know if it came from Abu Hanifa, but I do know he lived 500 years earlier. I think you are confused with the age of humanism where there was discussion on changing it to 'Dar al Salaam' and 'Dar al Kaffir'

@PVC I understand what you are saying, some will kick a man when he's down and you don't deserve such contempt. But did you ever have someone at your door trying to convince you of atheism, or saw atheist protests against a shop that's open on a certain day, 'you' limit me more yhan vica versa. I'm an atheist but I don't hate religious people, I just think it's silly.