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    Default O Donnell exposes her opponent's ignorance on the Constitution!

    "Where does it say 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution?"

    You got him Christine! Show those liberals what our Founding Father's really meant!



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    This is the person the Tea Party in Delaware want to represent them.

    Opening up a can of worms there Christine what if the local school is a hardline madrassa that teachs death to america etc etc.
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    Going after the low hanging fruit, eh ACIN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Going after the low hanging fruit, eh ACIN?
    Absolutely! Because running to be 1 out of only 100 Senators governing the entire country means she is low hanging fruit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Going after the low hanging fruit, eh ACIN?
    Well yes. Then again politicians spewing random rubbish without a clue as to what they're talking about are annoying and deserve every hit with the “clue bat” they get.
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    Default Re: O Donnell exposes her opponent's ignorance on the Constitution!

    IMO it is very difficult to reconcile atheism with the constitution if you consider its historical/political/philosophical roots, as opposed to reading modern values back into it.

    And don't just quote the frickin' Treaty of Tripoli again, a whole range of views are expressed by the founding fathers on the role of religion in the state, from radical atheists who wanted to abolish religion from the public sphere ala France, to those who clearly regarded it as the freedom only to worship the true God (the Christian God for them, with toleration for all Christian sects), to the radical sectarians (not sectarianism as you might expect me to use the word, it means simply greater freedom for the sects to be left along by the government) like smaller groups like the Seventh-Day Adventists or such like might be.

    Indeed, the Constitution even permits official state churches, Connecticut and Massachusetts both had them for decades after the Constitution was framed, and so given this context it is quite clear that the "OMG unconstitutional theocracy" reflexes at the slightest mention of religion in the state are unwarranted.
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    IMO the USA Constitution is a bit too revered by Americans it is supposed to be a living breathing and evolving document not the Sacred Text of the Republic.

    The founding fathers of USA are pretty much deified now and that maybe is part of the problem in these arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    And don't just quote the frickin' Treaty of Tripoli again, a whole range of views are expressed by the founding fathers on the role of religion in the state, from radical atheists who wanted to abolish religion from the public sphere ala France, to those who clearly regarded it as the freedom only to worship the true God (the Christian God for them, with toleration for all Christian sects), to the radical sectarians (not sectarianism as you might expect me to use the word, it means simply greater freedom for the sects to be left along by the government) like smaller groups like the Seventh-Day Adventists or such like might be.

    Indeed, the Constitution even permits official state churches, Connecticut and Massachusetts both had them for decades after the Constitution was framed, and so given this context it is quite clear that the "OMG unconstitutional theocracy" reflexes at the slightest mention of religion in the state are unwarranted.
    Too bad it doesn't really matter what the views are of the founding fathers when it comes to the Treat of Tripoli. It was approved unanimously by the Congress of the United States and therefor is an official statement by the Federal government. You might as well be saying, "And don't just keep bringing up the same evidence that proves me wrong time and time again, because that is just lazy."

    The Constitution does not permit official state churches and hasn't since the incorporation of the 1st Amendment through the 14th Amendment. State governments must obey all aspects of the Constitution whether they want to or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    "Where does it say 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution?"
    It's not in the Constution...
    You got him Christine! Show those liberals what our Founding Father's really meant!
    I think what they probably meant was: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". I know... I'm going way out on a limb, but I think that if they really meant that a school teacher can't wear a crucifix to work- they would have said that.

    Case law gives a much broader meaning to the 1A, but on the Constution itself, I don't see a problem with her reading of it. Now, teaching creationism, is another matter....
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