Handicapped Children: Keep or Abort?

[The Stranger]

If they chose not to have an abortion of course they chose to have the child! Merely that this is not a choice they wished to face changes nothing. If you're religious take it up with a priest. Personally I think it's a cruel universe and merely squealing that it's not fair changes nothing.

that is not an argument. just because something is doenst mean it ought to be. the fact that the state of the world is a cruel one doesnt mean that it ought to be or that it can't change or that you must go along with it. defaitism...

just because a person is sick doesnt mean he ought to be or that you must do nothing to change it...

also i want to stress the point that actually we need to pose 2 different questions.

1) should people have the choice to know and if they do know should they get the choice to abort (and on which terms are they allowed to do so?)

2) when a handicapped child is born, REGARDLESS of whether or not the parents knew about it before it was born, who should pay for the cost.

[Fragony]

Everyone should pay the costs, a disabled person is a burden of course but not everything is a matter of money. What are you really asking from these people, it's forcing them to kill what they want to take care for. Healthcare is incredibly expensive a night in the hospital can run into thousands, it's not a choice at all.

[rory_20_uk]

Money is the current best abstract means to allocate resources and balance wants / needs. How else can you compare 5 minutes of time to a beefburger. Everything is always about the money - but how it is allocated can vary.

To say it's not about the money is as meaningless as saying "I'm not a statistic"

[miotas]

But it's not about the money. It's about people.

[rory_20_uk]

Ever heard of economics? Popular subject. Might be best to get a primer and have a quick glance. You might learn something.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Ever heard of economics? Popular subject. Might be best to get a primer and have a quick glance. You might learn something.

I think there has to be a balance between the protection a state owns its citizens on the one hand, and economic realities on the other. You seem to be concerned only with the latter from the way you have argued here, I'm sure Miotas was aware of the realities of the situation.

So what if we lose out on some of our earning in the tax, that could have been more 'efficiently' spent from a purely materialistic viewpoint? It is worth it to know that if I ever had a disabled child, I could expect help in return. That's one of the main foundations for society and the state.

...and if Stalin / Hitler / Mao were found to be irreparably damaged as babies imagine the lives that would have been saved. A sample size of one isn't a valid sample size.

0? Historical forces and all that...

[Fragony]

Money is the current best abstract means to allocate resources and balance wants / needs. How else can you compare 5 minutes of time to a beefburger. Everything is always about the money - but how it is allocated can vary.

To say it's not about the money is as meaningless as saying "I'm not a statistic"

All business is about money, but not everything is business. We have a healthcare system for everybody and everybody pays it, the idea of insurance is sharing the risk, so in money terms people should get what they payed for, the best care for their disabled child.

[Andres]

Of course, there's no net gain in economic terms. So what?

[Strike For The South]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

logical

[Sasaki Kojiro]

my gut says this is wrong...

But punishment isn't the best word to describing ceasing to give benefits. And it is true that money spent somewhere isn't spent somewhere else. On a vaccine for some disease for example. I think the argument against it has to take that into account.

This kind of thing seems like an unfortunate side effect of public health care. I remember a recent 60 minutes about whether hospitals should run dozens of expensive tests on patients who were near death or if they should be let die. It sounds terrible, and you would automatically say no normally.

[Tellos Athenaios]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

Not quite. Fortunately not nearly everyone voted VVD. Cliché, I know, but the way the VVD would have it all money is spent on property speculation & building more roads.

[Louis VI the Fat]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

logical

Dear oh dear...

Me, I would love it if more of my tax money went to helping 'drug addicted whores'. It is not exactly what these poor women dreamed of when they were six year olds. They played princess with her mother's clothes and make-up. Then something went horrible astray in the next ten-fisteen years.

What's with the agression towards them? Too long in Texas, where the drug addict is scum, to be hunted down, rather than a social-medical problem, to be helped with recovering?


Edit: I myself am a duck-addicted whore though. For a fiver you can tickle my webby toes while I loudly quack for you....

[Fragony]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

logical

It's just a think-tank all party's have them, libs think tank is composed of hardcore libertarians, party itself is much more moderate I would give this zero chance of passing in the parlement, but creepy thoughts.