Handicapped Children: Keep or Abort?

[rory_20_uk]

Money is the current best abstract means to allocate resources and balance wants / needs. How else can you compare 5 minutes of time to a beefburger. Everything is always about the money - but how it is allocated can vary.

To say it's not about the money is as meaningless as saying "I'm not a statistic"

[miotas]

But it's not about the money. It's about people.

[rory_20_uk]

Ever heard of economics? Popular subject. Might be best to get a primer and have a quick glance. You might learn something.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Ever heard of economics? Popular subject. Might be best to get a primer and have a quick glance. You might learn something.

I think there has to be a balance between the protection a state owns its citizens on the one hand, and economic realities on the other. You seem to be concerned only with the latter from the way you have argued here, I'm sure Miotas was aware of the realities of the situation.

So what if we lose out on some of our earning in the tax, that could have been more 'efficiently' spent from a purely materialistic viewpoint? It is worth it to know that if I ever had a disabled child, I could expect help in return. That's one of the main foundations for society and the state.

...and if Stalin / Hitler / Mao were found to be irreparably damaged as babies imagine the lives that would have been saved. A sample size of one isn't a valid sample size.

0? Historical forces and all that...

[Fragony]

Money is the current best abstract means to allocate resources and balance wants / needs. How else can you compare 5 minutes of time to a beefburger. Everything is always about the money - but how it is allocated can vary.

To say it's not about the money is as meaningless as saying "I'm not a statistic"

All business is about money, but not everything is business. We have a healthcare system for everybody and everybody pays it, the idea of insurance is sharing the risk, so in money terms people should get what they payed for, the best care for their disabled child.

[Andres]

Of course, there's no net gain in economic terms. So what?

[Strike For The South]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

logical

[Sasaki Kojiro]

my gut says this is wrong...

But punishment isn't the best word to describing ceasing to give benefits. And it is true that money spent somewhere isn't spent somewhere else. On a vaccine for some disease for example. I think the argument against it has to take that into account.

This kind of thing seems like an unfortunate side effect of public health care. I remember a recent 60 minutes about whether hospitals should run dozens of expensive tests on patients who were near death or if they should be let die. It sounds terrible, and you would automatically say no normally.

[Tellos Athenaios]

my gut says this is wrong...

My gut says this is about “justifying” rather more harsh spending cuts in one place, whilst maintaining spending levels elsewhere.

[Tellos Athenaios]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

Not quite. Fortunately not nearly everyone voted VVD. Cliché, I know, but the way the VVD would have it all money is spent on property speculation & building more roads.

[Louis VI the Fat]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

logical

Dear oh dear...

Me, I would love it if more of my tax money went to helping 'drug addicted whores'. It is not exactly what these poor women dreamed of when they were six year olds. They played princess with her mother's clothes and make-up. Then something went horrible astray in the next ten-fisteen years.

What's with the agression towards them? Too long in Texas, where the drug addict is scum, to be hunted down, rather than a social-medical problem, to be helped with recovering?


Edit: I myself am a duck-addicted whore though. For a fiver you can tickle my webby toes while I loudly quack for you....

[PanzerJaeger]

Dear oh dear...

Me, I would love it if more of my tax money went to helping 'drug addicted whores'. It is not exactly what these poor women dreamed of when they were six year olds. They played princess with her mother's clothes and make-up. Then something went horrible astray in the next ten-fisteen years.

What's with the agression towards them? Too long in Texas, where the drug addict is scum, to be hunted down, rather than a social-medical problem, to be helped with recovering?

Many poor personal choices are involved in becoming a drug addicted whore in America.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Many poor personal choices are involved in becoming a drug addicted whore in America.

I too am a firm believer in personal responsibility. However, even the person of poor foresight and weak character deserves compassion, respect for the person.

What is the difference between the drug-addicted whore and the drug-addicted doctor? Mostly that the latter has a firmer social base, limiting the extent of damage of the irresponsible choices.

[Strike For The South]

Dear oh dear...

Me, I would love it if more of my tax money went to helping 'drug addicted whores'. It is not exactly what these poor women dreamed of when they were six year olds. They played princess with her mother's clothes and make-up. Then something went horrible astray in the next ten-fisteen years.

What's with the agression towards them? Too long in Texas, where the drug addict is scum, to be hunted down, rather than a social-medical problem, to be helped with recovering?


Edit: I myself am a duck-addicted whore though. For a fiver you can tickle my webby toes while I loudly quack for you....

I have never understood why (recoverd) addicts get lavished with such praise.

Being so addicted to something that it makes a pesron useless to socitey is something 99% of the population can avoid doing. Instead of lavishing praise on them we should hand them a card that says "Welcome back to the baseline" and give them a drive through walkie

It is utterly disgusting to see people piss there lives away and it is even more disgusting to see these people still sucking at the tit of the nanny state while a think tank proposes that to put less stress on the government payroll we abort retarded babies.

If unborn children could vote I suspect this would be a different story.

Now this does not mean I am opposed to abortion or some form of a government saftey net but I beilive the government saftey net would be much better if it was geared toward the working poor instead, including retards who bag groceries and are happy to be there.

A genuis drug addict is worth less to society than an imbecile. It is much better to allocate rescources to him

Let's kill all the people on welfare for more than 6 months. Crack open there skulls, scramble there brains, and throw them in a dumpster. That'll releive stress on the goverenment dole to.

European logic is literally ass backwards

[Fragony]

Really recoverin from a drug addiction is worthy of praise. They won't get it from me because I kinda agree with you. But again this is a think-tank, it's impossible to pull of. For actual policy it has just as much weight as our conversation here.

[The Stranger]

I have never understood why (recoverd) addicts get lavished with such praise.

Being so addicted to something that it makes a pesron useless to socitey is something 99% of the population can avoid doing. Instead of lavishing praise on them we should hand them a card that says "Welcome back to the baseline" and give them a drive through walkie

It is utterly disgusting to see people piss there lives away and it is even more disgusting to see these people still sucking at the tit of the nanny state while a think tank proposes that to put less stress on the government payroll we abort retarded babies.

If unborn children could vote I suspect this would be a different story.

Now this does not mean I am opposed to abortion or some form of a government saftey net but I beilive the government saftey net would be much better if it was geared toward the working poor instead, including retards who bag groceries and are happy to be there.

A genuis drug addict is worth less to society than an imbecile. It is much better to allocate rescources to him

Let's kill all the people on welfare for more than 6 months. Crack open there skulls, scramble there brains, and throw them in a dumpster. That'll releive stress on the goverenment dole to.

European logic is literally ass backwards

i think there is some confusion. It is not about spending money elsewhere and not on aborted babies. it is about lowering taxes so that people who have no responsibility for the child of another person doesnt have to pay for it. if it was for them all schools and hospitals would be private and only those who can afford would benefit.

[Fragony]

So the Netherlands will give you welfare if you sit on your ass all day and toke up but they won't help cover the costs of handicap children many of whom will become better people than the drug addict whores and scumbags who are causing the state to be in the red.

logical

It's just a think-tank all party's have them, libs think tank is composed of hardcore libertarians, party itself is much more moderate I would give this zero chance of passing in the parlement, but creepy thoughts.

[Cute Wolf]

It's just a think-tank all party's have them, libs think tank is composed of hardcore libertarians, party itself is much more moderate I would give this zero chance of passing in the parlement, but creepy thoughts.

Liberal? Hardcore Liberal? They are plain Nazi, just plain Nazi with all their eugenics....

Of course, another way is pull out all social welfare system, and let everyone have a chance purely on their feet (symbolically), but did have social care for handicapped persons, like what they do here, we have no social welfare system and this kind of crazy tought don't spawn because no greedy people try to got more money for themselves.

[Fragony]

They aren't nazi's, and this isn't about social-darwinism, they are free-market anarchists who believe every tax is legalized theft.