Good argument Beggarman. Thankyou. I'll buy that for a dollar. As far as the longbow (warbow - whatever you want to call it) piercing armor. I wasn't there. Neither were you. None of us were, and we can only go by what the historical primary sources say and what modern reenactments demonstrate. I give the benefit of the doubt to the former. If you don't, that's fine with me. But I think you made my original point that even when arrows didn't penetrate armor, archery still effectively killed and otherwise disabled armored knights. I still have no problem with teh game assigning longbows an AP benefit. The game isn't exactly going to model a knight ducking against the hail of arrows, falling off his horse, tripping up half a dozen other riders around him, and half of them getting trampled from behind and drowning in the mud. AP bonus is good enough to make the game work.