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How should I put things differently to say the exact same thing. Wilders trial is only exposing the arrogance of the elite. Things aren't going as planned by the Beaconstrictor no
Edit, the by the queen appointed judge couldn't control his emotions, so he was send of. Even his pro childrape boss was too busy, probably fiddling still pubic wasteland like just about every judge
Edit, the by the queen appointed judge couldn't control his emotions, so he was send of. Even his pro childrape boss was too busy, probably fiddling still pubic wasteland like just about every judge
While I understand little of what Frag wrote, the assault on free speech in the Netherlands is deeply saddening.
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It's meant for the Dutch members, but this is a interesting 'trial', I'll post some details later
Everything screams scheme gone wrong
Everything screams scheme gone wrong
Well got some time to spare. First of all, this trial is absurd and the prosecution never wanted to prosecute, but the Amsterdam court forced them to do it anyway. Absolutely unheard of. The statement of the court was noting but a political pamflet, Wilders was basicly already convicted.
On the first day it became apparent that the judges were biased, new judges were demanded by the defence, which was refused by the collegues of the same judges who go over that, fellow judges. Weird.
Second day the judges couldn't hide their bias again, in a hilarious day at the court, never seen anything like it, godwin after godwin, judges didn't interfere. Not sure if that is illegal but indecent it was for sure.
Third day was Armageddon, it became clear that the judge who was behind the charges has tried to influence a witness of the defence. The judges refused when the defence wanted to hear him. Current judges position became unholdable, the whole proces has to be redone.
Now all of these judges are known to be affiliated with extreme leftist activists groups, the judge who forced the prosecution is also pro-pedo, which makes it all the more likely that a certain person who I won't mention is pulling the strings. The rumors of the socalled 'pink ballets', underage sex-party's for high government officials in the Netherlands and Belgium never died down, and probably go as high as the royal family the queens husband is rumored to attend them , not exactly a friend of Wilders. Wilders IS a threat to the royal family he hates their guts, and he is now the most powerful politician of the Netherlands. A conviction for spreading hate could make his party illegal.
A lot of the judges can be blackmailed, it's a public secret that sex-party's for judges were also organised on Curacau by a certain van der Sloot, yeah his daddy, also a judge.
There is a maddening amount of circumstantial evidence that this is an old-boy network scheme that went very very wrong and a parlementory inquiry is pretty much unavoidable.
On the first day it became apparent that the judges were biased, new judges were demanded by the defence, which was refused by the collegues of the same judges who go over that, fellow judges. Weird.
Second day the judges couldn't hide their bias again, in a hilarious day at the court, never seen anything like it, godwin after godwin, judges didn't interfere. Not sure if that is illegal but indecent it was for sure.
Third day was Armageddon, it became clear that the judge who was behind the charges has tried to influence a witness of the defence. The judges refused when the defence wanted to hear him. Current judges position became unholdable, the whole proces has to be redone.
Now all of these judges are known to be affiliated with extreme leftist activists groups, the judge who forced the prosecution is also pro-pedo, which makes it all the more likely that a certain person who I won't mention is pulling the strings. The rumors of the socalled 'pink ballets', underage sex-party's for high government officials in the Netherlands and Belgium never died down, and probably go as high as the royal family the queens husband is rumored to attend them , not exactly a friend of Wilders. Wilders IS a threat to the royal family he hates their guts, and he is now the most powerful politician of the Netherlands. A conviction for spreading hate could make his party illegal.
A lot of the judges can be blackmailed, it's a public secret that sex-party's for judges were also organised on Curacau by a certain van der Sloot, yeah his daddy, also a judge.
There is a maddening amount of circumstantial evidence that this is an old-boy network scheme that went very very wrong and a parlementory inquiry is pretty much unavoidable.
Wilders, a threat to the royal family? To paraphrase you “licking like Lassie”. Well, blondie.
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios:
Wilders, a threat to the royal family? To paraphrase you ?licking like Lassie?. Well, blondie.
Yes absolutely every new party is, not just to the royals but also the network surroinding her, Wilders is openly hostile and wants to limit their power and he makes no secret it. You probably know who our mystery-man is and why he's under the queens protection. This trial should have been a done deal but it blew up in their face, we will just have to wait and see how badly but the silk gloves will come off.Wilders, a threat to the royal family? To paraphrase you ?licking like Lassie?. Well, blondie.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
and probably go as high as the royal family the queens husband is rumored to attend them.
The man is dead for years and Claus was sick long before that.and probably go as high as the royal family the queens husband is rumored to attend them.
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq:
The man is dead for years and Claus was sick long before that.
Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.The man is dead for years and Claus was sick long before that.
Off the top of my head, the extreme right parties or their leaders of France, Belgium, Austria, Denmark and Britain have all been prosecuted for various hate speech crimes.
Whatever else one may think of that, national conspiracies do not seem to cut it as an explanation.
The new populism has upped its game in recent years. The decline of the mainstream media and its mitigating force has been seized upon. The new right now no longer positions itself as far right. Instead, the far right on its blogosphere and television stations now claims it is the normal, traditional right. Or even the centrist political force. One which is under threat from, or supressed by, the vast leftwing take-over.
Whatever else one may think of that, national conspiracies do not seem to cut it as an explanation.
The new populism has upped its game in recent years. The decline of the mainstream media and its mitigating force has been seized upon. The new right now no longer positions itself as far right. Instead, the far right on its blogosphere and television stations now claims it is the normal, traditional right. Or even the centrist political force. One which is under threat from, or supressed by, the vast leftwing take-over.
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Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.
What?Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
How should I put things differently to say the exact same thing. Wilders trial is only exposing the arrogance of the elite. Things aren't going as planned by the Beaconstrictor no
Edit, the by the queen appointed judge couldn't control his emotions, so he was send of. Even his pro childrape boss was too busy, probably fiddling still pubic wasteland like just about every judge
what elite? the left or the right elite XD its so funny...How should I put things differently to say the exact same thing. Wilders trial is only exposing the arrogance of the elite. Things aren't going as planned by the Beaconstrictor no
Edit, the by the queen appointed judge couldn't control his emotions, so he was send of. Even his pro childrape boss was too busy, probably fiddling still pubic wasteland like just about every judge
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
the vast leftwing take-over.
God, I almost wish there was such a thing -just to actually oppose these populist rabble-rousers.the vast leftwing take-over.
Originally Posted by alh_p:
God, I almost wish there was such a thing -just to actually oppose these populist rabble-rousers.
genuine political representtion is a shocking thing, is it not?God, I almost wish there was such a thing -just to actually oppose these populist rabble-rousers.
Originally Posted by Furunculus:
genuine political representtion is a shocking thing, is it not?
genuine political representtion is a shocking thing, is it not?
We've been here before, I don't think that every decision made by "the people" will be correct. They simply don't know enough and tend to be extremely short sighted. That kind of democracy is anarchy, literaly and figuratively.Originally Posted by The Stranger:
what elite? the left or the right elite XD its so funny...
The Bea constrictor and her loyal lapdogs, the whole old-boy network really. Or do you actually believe this isn't political trail. It already reeked when 17 of the 20 witnesses were denied. Now it has turned out that Amsterdam court has tried to manipulate a key wittness, and refused him to be heard when it came out, it smells badly. Amsterdam court already smelled of corruption and cover-ups anyway, clients getting lower punishment for a blowjob the pink ballets, the orgy's on curacau, always has.what elite? the left or the right elite XD its so funny...
since when is the queen leftist? or do you not mean the left elite? :P
well anyway, the trial is a joke it is true, but the problem lies alot deeper, we have a culture of negative responsibility it is always about blame never about solving the problem. wilders does the same, the party opposing him does the same, they think by silencing or killing or deporting the problem to another country it is solved, as if a patient is cured by killing him or deporting him to another hospital...
well anyway, the trial is a joke it is true, but the problem lies alot deeper, we have a culture of negative responsibility it is always about blame never about solving the problem. wilders does the same, the party opposing him does the same, they think by silencing or killing or deporting the problem to another country it is solved, as if a patient is cured by killing him or deporting him to another hospital...
Don't know what the Bea constrictor really thinks, probably rofl, but she sure as hell favours leftists in appointed positions.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Very much alive and still the head of the justice department.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_...he_NetherlandsVery much alive and still the head of the justice department.
If you are referring to the Queen she is a lot but certainly not “leftist” and assuredly not “progressive”. Quite conservative, but not quite as right wing as you (Fragony) might like. CDA, I would venture.
The reason there are a lot of “leftists” (assuming anything to the left of VVD is considered leftist) in high positions is, in case you hadn't remembered, is that these are determined by the Provincial elections/ elected by their peers. Those have been traditionally a CDA bastion (because dominated by farmers and others with a stake in planning which is the one thing provinces really do nowadays) but become more open to various left wing and liberal politicians as those parties enjoyed tremendous success during the 90's. So yeah, what did you expect?
If the PVV can prove it is actually any good at governing (not just shouty shouty) or the VVD can actually show some love for other people but its own core voters you might just see a few more right wingers in 10 or 20 years time.
The reason there are a lot of “leftists” (assuming anything to the left of VVD is considered leftist) in high positions is, in case you hadn't remembered, is that these are determined by the Provincial elections/ elected by their peers. Those have been traditionally a CDA bastion (because dominated by farmers and others with a stake in planning which is the one thing provinces really do nowadays) but become more open to various left wing and liberal politicians as those parties enjoyed tremendous success during the 90's. So yeah, what did you expect?
If the PVV can prove it is actually any good at governing (not just shouty shouty) or the VVD can actually show some love for other people but its own core voters you might just see a few more right wingers in 10 or 20 years time.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
the royals but also the network surrounding her, Wilders is openly hostile and wants to limit their power and he makes no secret it.
Wilders deserves credit for prying open two outdated taboos: the failure of the multicultural society, and the powers of a monarch in the heart of a European democracy. the royals but also the network surrounding her, Wilders is openly hostile and wants to limit their power and he makes no secret it.
As to the first: I am not a fan of the extreme right. I also think the mutlicultural society has failed. On both counts, I think I am part of a large majority of public opinion throughout Europe.
Social taboos have prevented open public debate over this matter. (Which is not the same as a leftwing conspiracy)
Well done to Wilders and his ilk for turning the issue into a public debate. I can call Fragony a fanatic, but the truth of the matter is he often expresses thoughts I am simply too afraid to admit in public.
Cameron, Merkel and Sarkozy have all learned the lesson of the populist right, and have all incorporated some of the themes of the hardright into the mainstream right.
As to the second, I can 'somewhat' understand a ceremonial monarchy like Sweden. I shall never, never ever, understand why a developed country in the 21st century wishes to have a big black hole in the heart of its democracy. Every New Guinea tribesman can vote his leader nowadays, democracy is spread to all the corners of the globe. Yet, in a handful of European countries, people remain subject to the whims of royal family.
Completely shield off from the public scrutiny, without any public responsibility, the monarchs in places such as Monaco, Liechtenstein, and the Netherlands are part of the government, they decide who governs and who doesn't.
They ought to be expelled from the EU over it. Instead, across Europe, people have become so accustomed to this intolerable situation, that even Europe's social democratic parties are seldom anti-monarchical.
Well done to Wilders for breaking the taboo about the monarchy.
Erm, there have been recent video leaks showing widespread intimidation of the people of New Guinea. Having the right to elect the dictator or have a hot stick plunged into your genitals isn't that much of a choice.
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
Erm, there have been recent video leaks showing widespread intimidation of the people of New Guinea. Having the right to elect the dictator or have a hot stick plunged into your genitals isn't that much of a choice.
A good reminder that elections do not equal democracy.Erm, there have been recent video leaks showing widespread intimidation of the people of New Guinea. Having the right to elect the dictator or have a hot stick plunged into your genitals isn't that much of a choice.
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Well done to Wilders for breaking the taboo about the monarchy.
Wilders has done nothing whatsoever to merit being credited with breaking open a taboo about the monarchy. The most he did was getting all upset about a bit in some Christmas speech by the Queen; apparently he took the following personal: “grofheid in woord en daad de verdraagzaamheid aantast”. Well done to Wilders for breaking the taboo about the monarchy.
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios:
Wilders has done nothing whatsoever to merit being credited with breaking open a taboo about the monarchy. The most he did was getting all upset about a bit in some Christmas speech by the Queen
Wilders has done nothing whatsoever to merit being credited with breaking open a taboo about the monarchy. The most he did was getting all upset about a bit in some Christmas speech by the Queen
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Remove queen from government, says Wilders
Wednesday 27 October 2010
Queen Beatrix should no longer be officially part of the government, PVV leader Geert Wilders said during the debate on the new government on Tuesday.
Wilders, whose party has agreed to back the minority government in a number of policy areas, says he will introduce draft legislation in an effort to get the queen officially removed as head of state.
According to the Dutch constitution, the monarch is officially head of the government, but in practice, it is the prime minister (minister-president in Dutch) who leads.
Republicans
‘We support the royal family. We are not republicans. But having the queen in the government is a bridge too far,’ Wilders said.
He admitted trying and failing to get the new minority VVD CDA government to accept this position during the cabinet formation talks.
Changing the constitution requires a two-thirds majority in both houses of parliament.
Remove queen from government, says Wilders
Wednesday 27 October 2010
Queen Beatrix should no longer be officially part of the government, PVV leader Geert Wilders said during the debate on the new government on Tuesday.
Wilders, whose party has agreed to back the minority government in a number of policy areas, says he will introduce draft legislation in an effort to get the queen officially removed as head of state.
According to the Dutch constitution, the monarch is officially head of the government, but in practice, it is the prime minister (minister-president in Dutch) who leads.
Republicans
‘We support the royal family. We are not republicans. But having the queen in the government is a bridge too far,’ Wilders said.
He admitted trying and failing to get the new minority VVD CDA government to accept this position during the cabinet formation talks.
Changing the constitution requires a two-thirds majority in both houses of parliament.
Yes but that is nothing new. Not a taboo. In fact, D66/SP/Greens have tried in the past. It tends to die at the hands of CDA, VVD, SGP, CU, and PvdA.
Being a big party is new, the discussion at itself is usefull enough anyway, D66 can be found waving little flags and throwing confetti on queensday nowadays
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios:
Yes but that is nothing new. Not a taboo. In fact, D66/SP/Greens have tried in the past. It tends to die at the hands of CDA, VVD, SGP, CU, and PvdA.
It is new. Within Europe's established monarchies, in the modern age commonly the fringe, anti-establishment, progressive groups are republican.Yes but that is nothing new. Not a taboo. In fact, D66/SP/Greens have tried in the past. It tends to die at the hands of CDA, VVD, SGP, CU, and PvdA.
Wilders by contrast is populist, rightwing, nationalist. And the Netherlands' most influential politician to boot.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Being a big party is new, the discussion at itself is usefull enough anyway, D66 can be found waving little flags and throwing confetti on queensday nowadays
I love the amount of conspiricy theories in this thread, keep it going...Being a big party is new, the discussion at itself is usefull enough anyway, D66 can be found waving little flags and throwing confetti on queensday nowadays
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