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    Liar and Trickster Senior Member Andres's Avatar
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    Default Iraq: 63 % of the casualties were civilians

    I'm surprised there still isn't a thread about the latest wikileaks stunt.

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    • While the U.S. has maintained that it didn't have an official death toll and the Bush administration downplayed the number of civilian deaths, the documents showed military brass kept a secret tally that placed the number of casualties between 109,000 and 285,000.
    The documents also estimated that 63% of those killed were civilians.
    • U.S. forces turned a blind eye to Iraqi rights violations that made the abuse of prisoners by G.I.s at Abu Ghraib pale by comparison.
    Iraqi prisoners were shackled, blindfolded and hung by their wrists or ankles by other Iraqis. They also were subjected to whipping, punching, kicking and electrical shocks.
    • Military brass covered up or ignored the slaughter of Iraqi civilians by government death squads.

    • Iran armed and trained Shiite squads to kill senior Iraqi politicians and undermine U.S. and British military operations.
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    I really don't think anyone's surprised. Who do you pin the blame on? Coalition forces, Iran, or the local Iraqi's?


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    Default Re: Iraq: 63 % of the casualties were civilians

    It's a sickening amount of loss of life when true

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    an iraq veterans take on the wikileaks release:

    http://tachesdhuile.blogspot.com/201...eaks-iraq.html
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    Default Re: Iraq: 63 % of the casualties were civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    I really don't think anyone's surprised. Who do you pin the blame on? Coalition forces, Iran, or the local Iraqi's?
    George Bush and his administration is who you pin the blame on. Most of them should be in jail and facing the death penalty for the travesty that was and is the iraq war. Those civilians died needlessly, unless the WMD turn up on the way out then this war had no justification at all.

    Removing dictators in foreign countries should not be the mandate of the U.S. the iraqi civilian death toll is about all the evidence one needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    George Bush and his administration is who you pin the blame on. Most of them should be in jail and facing the death penalty for the travesty that was and is the iraq war. Those civilians died needlessly, unless the WMD turn up on the way out then this war had no justification at all.

    Removing dictators in foreign countries should not be the mandate of the U.S. the iraqi civilian death toll is about all the evidence one needs.
    Bush lied people died!


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    Iraq is not an argument against liberal interventionism. It's an argument about doing liberal interventionism right. The whole war was a calamity from the beginning and it's a disgrace that so many died due to continuous errors committed by the USA.


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    Default Re: Iraq: 63 % of the casualties were civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
    Iraq is not an argument against liberal interventionism. It's an argument about doing liberal interventionism right. The whole war was a calamity from the beginning and it's a disgrace that so many died due to continuous errors committed by the USA.
    and the failure of britain to exercise its position in the command authority.

    we deploy 15% of the force to achieve second in command, and then fail to make good use of it*.


    * most notably by having Clare Short declaring that her international aid department would have nothing to do with invading iraq.
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