So, avoiding the political vitriol of the first thread, and the whole question of why it's okay to compare Bush to Hitler but not Obama, I'm curious about another whole aspect of Nazis making their appearance in modern converse....
How do Germans feel about things like "Hogan's Heroes" and the like? I mean, Bob Crane, and a pre-Family-Feud-woman-kissing Richard Dawson were right there in the late 60s, making jokes about the gestapo, the SS, concentration camps... you name it.
Was it offensive? So banal and trivializing of such a profound truth of human suffering hiterto unknown in the world that it induced bewilderment?
I'm serious here... from the time I was old enough to understand what the Shoah actually was (I believe 9), Hogan's Heroes seemed macabre and grotesque. Yet it still plays on TV Land occassionally...
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Everything both can and should be joked about.
The Bush/Obama nazi references aren't meant as just jokes however, and that's what makes them different from Hogan's Heroes.
To explain further:
-To jokingly compare health care to racial purity(for example), is ok.
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It's a bit hard to take Nazi's seriously after watching even a single episode of Allo Allo
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One shouldn't make jokes about the Nazi era!
It is painful, people have personal memories. For example, my own grandfather died a painful dead in Treblinka concentration camp...
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Nah, but seriously.
Nazism is of course not a laughing matter. Show some respect, eh?
My own grandfather died in the resistance. For this, simply for being in the resistance, he was transported East, where he died, alone, during a cold winter's night in the Ukraine, killed resisting Bolshevism in the Charlemagne legion.
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Fair point though. The losers are vilified, the winner deified. Some did believe the propaganda that this is what they were fighting for.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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This thread offends me.
Because it assumes that Nazi jokes offend me.
I think HoreTore summed the rest up somewhat.
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exactly!
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy
...I mean...Goad Moanin! :D
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If you can't joke about 6 million dead civilians what can you joke about?
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Your math is off. Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Oh never mind, I keep forgetting your Texan. Math is easier there. One, two, three...ten, bunch, whole lotta, Texas-sized amount."The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
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It takes 22.3 years before a tragedy can be laughed about. So, holocaust-jokes have been OK since around august 1967. Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Also the reason why it's OK to joke about the 6 million killed in the holocaust, but not about the ~3000 killed in WTC....Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban -
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PEROSNAL ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
One can simultaneously acknoweldge what happend was bad, but if you can't joke about it than those people still have a hold on you. Humor is a very good coping mechanism much better than mourningThere, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
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Yes, he did forget about you Texan's woeful spelling.... Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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we have top men working on that right now....top men! Originally Posted by HoreTore
"If given the choice to be the shepherd or the sheep... be the wolf"
-Josh Homme
"That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!"
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its not funny.. and he realises that at the end XD
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That's because he's a horrible comedian, not because the holocaust isn't funny.... Originally Posted by The Stranger
When Peter Griffin wears a nazi outfit and tells Louis and her friend that "...there's only one way you're not getting on that train - bow-chicka-bow-wow", that's a hilarious holocaust-joke
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As always it take a self professed Paddy to figure out how to joke about nazism
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On the topic of nazis/shoah jokes, around here, most people who make jokes about the nazis and the Shoah are unfortunately people who happen to think all this wasn't that bad, and that Israel is doing "way worse man!".
So yeah, I don't find them offensive per themselve. But unhappily, most people who make them are holocaust deniers or at least people who try to lessen it (most oftenly in order to blame Israel for something).
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Oh come on. That's like saying that those who make rapejokes doesn't think rape is bad. Originally Posted by Meneldil
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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I find those that make crass Nazi references far less offensive than those weekend historians who apply a uniform immorality to every German who fought in the war.
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But you woudn't make them in front of a rape victim. Originally Posted by HoreTore
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill -
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That is the third time this week. Need air. Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
One shouldn't make jokes about the Nazi era!
It is painful, people have personal memories. For example, my own grandfather died a painful dead in Treblinka concentration camp...
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I also find that those who keep telling the lie that "only the SS murdered jews" and other such nonsense in order to remove all blame from the Wehrmacht is far more offensive. Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
I find those that make crass Nazi references far less offensive than those weekend historians who apply a uniform immorality to every German who fought in the war.
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good point, there is a point within the living memory of those who suffered where public jokes of this variety could be deemed deeply insensitive. Originally Posted by HoreTore
i take it you refer to the passage of generations with the 22.3 figure?Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar -
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I'm not sure jokes about the actual holocaust are ok. Jokes about Nazis and their mannerisms are one thing, but you'll note that none of the attached clips (or any other popular jokes about Nazis that I know) poke fun at the prosecution of the holocaust or killing jews. I know some modern British comedians can be very dark int heir humour, but they do not cross the line of diminishing the horror of genocide.
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Am I the only one watching South Park on this forum? Originally Posted by Furunculus
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probably, and certainly not me, apologies.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Has_Aides Originally Posted by Furunculus
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No I have them all on boxset plus I'm always watching American Dad and Family Guy on BBC3 Originally Posted by HoreTore
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Am I the only one watching South Park on this forum?
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
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Nazism attatched to Germany is so outdated when using it for discriptive purposes. Now when I'm talking to people about hard core porn involving feces, urine, or various farm animals, i play the german card....
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