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  1. 10-28-2010, 04:36 #1
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    Default Nazi references, Part Deux

    So, avoiding the political vitriol of the first thread, and the whole question of why it's okay to compare Bush to Hitler but not Obama, I'm curious about another whole aspect of Nazis making their appearance in modern converse....

    How do Germans feel about things like "Hogan's Heroes" and the like? I mean, Bob Crane, and a pre-Family-Feud-woman-kissing Richard Dawson were right there in the late 60s, making jokes about the gestapo, the SS, concentration camps... you name it.

    Was it offensive? So banal and trivializing of such a profound truth of human suffering hiterto unknown in the world that it induced bewilderment?

    I'm serious here... from the time I was old enough to understand what the Shoah actually was (I believe 9), Hogan's Heroes seemed macabre and grotesque. Yet it still plays on TV Land occassionally...
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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Everything both can and should be joked about.

    The Bush/Obama nazi references aren't meant as just jokes however, and that's what makes them different from Hogan's Heroes.

    To explain further:
    -To jokingly compare health care to racial purity(for example), is ok.
    -To seriously compare health care to racial purity, is not ok.
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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    It's a bit hard to take Nazi's seriously after watching even a single episode of Allo Allo

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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    It's a bit hard to take Nazi's seriously after watching even a single episode of Allo Allo

    exactly!

    ...I mean...Goad Moanin! :D

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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    If you can't joke about 6 million dead civilians what can you joke about?
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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    If you can't joke about 6 million dead civilians what can you joke about?
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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    If you can't joke about 6 million dead civilians what can you joke about?
    It takes 22.3 years before a tragedy can be laughed about. So, holocaust-jokes have been OK since around august 1967.

    Also the reason why it's OK to joke about the 6 million killed in the holocaust, but not about the ~3000 killed in WTC....
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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    One shouldn't make jokes about the Nazi era!

    It is painful, people have personal memories. For example, my own grandfather died a painful dead in Treblinka concentration camp...
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    ...where he fell from his watchtower.

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    Sorry 'bout that. I couldn't resist.
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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Nah, but seriously.

    Nazism is of course not a laughing matter. Show some respect, eh?

    My own grandfather died in the resistance. For this, simply for being in the resistance, he was transported East, where he died, alone, during a cold winter's night in the Ukraine, killed resisting Bolshevism in the Charlemagne legion.

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    Sorry 'bout that.

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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Fair point though. The losers are vilified, the winner deified. Some did believe the propaganda that this is what they were fighting for.

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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    This thread offends me.

    Because it assumes that Nazi jokes offend me.

    I think HoreTore summed the rest up somewhat.


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    Default Re: Nazi references, Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    One shouldn't make jokes about the Nazi era!

    It is painful, people have personal memories. For example, my own grandfather died a painful dead in Treblinka concentration camp...
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    ...where he fell from his watchtower.

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    Sorry 'bout that. I couldn't resist.
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