Double Passports in the Government

[The Stranger]

I see.

Well, I would have the same opinion if it the official would have been directly elected and had been open about his/her nationality during campaign. If the British people want a Turk/Russian/Belgian/whatever to be their Prime Minister and he is directly elected by the people, then I see no objections. It wouldn't be my choice, but if that is what the majority of the people truly want




Matter of principle, perhaps?

Dutch secretary of state should be Dutch. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I've never been a fan of double or triple nationalities and I think it should not be allowed to have more than one nationality, but that's just me.

perhaps not at all unreasonable, BUT then they should get rid of their secretary of state, which they dont. and that is hypocrite, and even better to defend themself they deny their hypocracy by advocating some sort of discrimination... way to go!!!

I actually feel strongly in favor of abolishing all passports, but I havent yet came up with a alternative so i cant really make that point...



i have to agree with horetore and tellos, it is not at all unreasonable to make such a demand but is it neccesary? does it fix the problem of having unreliable people in key positions. imo it doesnt, it is just some quick fix which will not hold together. and it is not like the person doesnt have the dutch nationality at all, that person has already been deemed "good" enough to get the dutch nationality (or the other one) and has proven him/herself to the party she is a member of, and then lets not forget that the intelligence service will no doubt run some background checks on the person in question.

[HoreTore]

I actually feel strongly in favor of abolishing all passports, but I havent yet came up with a alternative so i cant really make that point...

I'll give an alternative: No borders whatsoever. I don't see why the government should be able to decide who I talk to, who to be friends with, work with/for, love, marry, have children with, etc etc

The right demands strict control with those things, and at the same time they cry about "freedom".... I call BS.

[The Stranger]

I'll give an alternative: No borders whatsoever. I don't see why the government should be able to decide who I talk to, who to be friends with, work with/for, love, marry, have children with, etc etc

The right demands strict control with those things, and at the same time they cry about "freedom".... I call BS.

i also favor such a tendency but lets face it, it wont work just yet. but i hope that step by step humanity will move in that direction.

[Ronin]

well she is obviously a double-triple-or even quadruple agent for sure!...for sure!

[HoreTore]

I've never undedrstood why people bother with or care about all these "oaths". Why on earth does anyone believe that saying a few words is going to affect their behavior?

I've signed a few papers saying that I agree never to speak about certain things, but do I care? Nope, if the Russkies or anyone else wants to know how the MRR works, I'll be more than happy to tell them everything I know if I wanted to.

That piece of paper I once signed is something I honestly could not care less about.

[The Stranger]

I've never undedrstood why people bother with or care about all these "oaths". Why on earth does anyone believe that saying a few words is going to affect their behavior?

I've signed a few papers saying that I agree never to speak about certain things, but do I care? Nope, if the Russkies or anyone else wants to know how the MRR works, I'll be more than happy to tell them everything I know if I wanted to.

That piece of paper I once signed is something I honestly could not care less about.

because then atleast legally you can be held accountable for what you have done. its one of the effects of the culture of negative responsibility where it is all about making sure that someone is convicted for a negative result and about finding a scapegoat and someone to blame and not about preventing the problem and making sure the there will be a solution to a problem when it arises. and ofcourse it is a relic of the time when giving your word actually meant something, and it is not really a good thing imo that those days are past.

[HoreTore]

because then atleast legally you can be held accountable for what you have done.

Nonsense, all they would have to do to make me legally accountable, is to make a law that says it's illegal for anyone to release secrets to others.

And it just so happens that we do have a law like that.



And I still won't give a crap about that if I feel that giving secrets to the russkies is a good thing to do, I will do it no matter what the law says.

[gaelic cowboy]

well she is obviously a double-triple-or even quadruple agent for sure!...for sure!

Lets see her parents home burned and the family forced to become practically refugees by loyalist mobs I think were safe enough.

[Louis VI the Fat]

well she is obviously a double-triple-or even quadruple agent for sure!...for sure!

Her first name's Catholic and her surname is Sco'ish!

She's an Orangist, a Loyalist, an agent of London and a servant to Rome!

[gaelic cowboy]

Her first name's Catholic and her surname is Sco'ish!

She's an Orangist, a Loyalist, an agent of London and a servant to Rome!

Dependinng on how one spells the name it is Irish or Scots generally but not always Mc/Mac shows the origin

in English it's McAleese but as gaelige it is "Mac Giolla Iosa" which translates into "son of the devotee of Jesus"

McAleese of course is only her married name and her actual maiden name is Lenaghan a fine Connacht sept

[HoreTore]

McAleese of course is only her married name and her actual maiden name is Lenaghan a fine Connacht sept

I just conquered Connacht in my EU3 game and minimized to surf a little, and I see this... How cool is that?