well she is obviously a double-triple-or even quadruple agent for sure!...for sure!
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well she is obviously a double-triple-or even quadruple agent for sure!...for sure!
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I've never undedrstood why people bother with or care about all these "oaths". Why on earth does anyone believe that saying a few words is going to affect their behavior?
I've signed a few papers saying that I agree never to speak about certain things, but do I care? Nope, if the Russkies or anyone else wants to know how the MRR works, I'll be more than happy to tell them everything I know if I wanted to.
That piece of paper I once signed is something I honestly could not care less about.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Originally Posted by Ronin
Lets see her parents home burned and the family forced to become practically refugees by loyalist mobs I think were safe enough.
Last edited by gaelic cowboy; 10-28-2010 at 17:05.
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because then atleast legally you can be held accountable for what you have done. its one of the effects of the culture of negative responsibility where it is all about making sure that someone is convicted for a negative result and about finding a scapegoat and someone to blame and not about preventing the problem and making sure the there will be a solution to a problem when it arises. and ofcourse it is a relic of the time when giving your word actually meant something, and it is not really a good thing imo that those days are past.
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Nonsense, all they would have to do to make me legally accountable, is to make a law that says it's illegal for anyone to release secrets to others.
And it just so happens that we do have a law like that.
And I still won't give a crap about that if I feel that giving secrets to the russkies is a good thing to do, I will do it no matter what the law says.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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That would bring down government spending a bit...
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Her first name's Catholic and her surname is Sco'ish!
She's an Orangist, a Loyalist, an agent of London and a servant to Rome!
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Dependinng on how one spells the name it is Irish or Scots generally but not always Mc/Mac shows the origin
in English it's McAleese but as gaelige it is "Mac Giolla Iosa" which translates into "son of the devotee of Jesus"
McAleese of course is only her married name and her actual maiden name is Lenaghan a fine Connacht sept
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
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I just conquered Connacht in my EU3 game and minimized to surf a little, and I see this... How cool is that?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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I for one welcome our new Nordic overlords.
Now there is a tiny matter about this huge debt we have should be no problem with all that oil of yours.
Last edited by gaelic cowboy; 10-29-2010 at 15:23.
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
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[cough] fabled Norwegian sovereign wealth fund [cough]
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I'm brittany, unfortunately :/
And frenchies are only good for rioting against the government....
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Double Passports in the Government
in the words of a cliche half mad gold miner from the old west
"gorn namit"
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
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I think you are underestimating the pressure, but than again that is guessing work. There are more difficulties, heritage-rights, army-duty, also, saying there was a genocide is a crime in Turkey but it's our government stance that it was genocide, a Dutch/Turkish mop can get into trouble over that when in Turkey having to explain our stance. They won't as they nicely recite Turkeys take on things, but still.
Last edited by Fragony; 10-30-2010 at 16:50.
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Turkey is your military ally. Military service should be a non-issue.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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It isn't an issue since we pay them off. I'd rather hear you on the Armenian genocide and it's recognition. Explain to me how that can't be an issue with a healthy dose of common sense
Last edited by Fragony; 10-30-2010 at 20:10.
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who pays them off??? the turks themself have to pay.
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I googled around a bit. Apparantly French citizens can avoid military service in Turkey by joining the French army, or by publicly providing proof they engage in homosexual acts (), or by paying the Turkish government 5000 euros in foreign currency.
Failing any of those, all males with some Turkish ancestor, including those born abroad, of mixed marriage, who don't speak a word of Turkish and have never ever set foot in Turkey, will be branded a deserter and will have trouble travelling.
It is all rather infuriating. Turkey and the Arab states consider anybody born of their ancestors one of their own, and will subject them to their laws for all eternity.
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Completed military service in Norway counts as completing military service in Turkey, so you will only have to serve once - or none at all, as being deemed unfit for service counts as completing military service here. You guys probably have this problem since you don't have conscription anymore, but I would assume that joining the French or Dutch army will excempt you from turkish military service.I googled around a bit. Apparantly French citizens can avoid military service in Turkey by joining the French army, or by publicly providing proof they engage in homosexual acts (
Failing any of those, all males with some Turkish ancestor, including those born abroad, of mixed marriage, who don't speak a word of Turkish and have never ever set foot in Turkey, will be branded a deserter and will have trouble travelling.
It is all rather infuriating. Turkey and the Arab states consider anybody born of their ancestors one of their own, and will subject them to their laws for all eternity.
Although completing military service in Turkey doesn't excempt you from conscription in Norway, for some reason...
Also, I do believe that any potential politician would be a little older than the draft age.....
@Frags: I fail to see how a minister of transportation, for example, will ever be required to state their opinion on whether what happened to the Armenians a hundred years ago was a genocide or not.... However, as I hate any anti-free speech laws, I would've loved to see them just speak their mind, and appeal any criminal charges by any country because of it to the ECHR.
Last edited by HoreTore; 10-30-2010 at 22:23.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Double Passports in the Government
I am kind of concerned with this as well. My family in Algeria are generally of good standing, but some close relatives of mine aren't real fans of the government (and some of them actively mentioned not liking the government several times in the media), so they can't travel to Algeria. As far as I know, the Algerian government isn't really that big on that stuff anymore, but eh. Luckily, I'm Turkish only by ancestry, and my line of the family doesn't have the Turkish nationality any more, so that's kinda handy.It is all rather infuriating. Turkey and the Arab states consider anybody born of their ancestors one of their own, and will subject them to their laws for all eternity.
But if our government can tell the Algerian government to un-register me as a citizen, hey, all the better for me, eh.
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Sorry, no can do. One drop of blood and all that. You'll always remain an Algerian to Algeria.
Only in Europe is the Arab a free man.
We shouldn't have let go of Algeria. For all the faults of colonialism, Algeria had theatres, cinemas, books. Now these are closed or burned. In their place, there are megamosques everywhere, secret police, backwardness.
Algeria in 2010 would've been the California of Europe if it were still three French departments.
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For the present, perhaps. I seriously do believe this can change, eh.Sorry, no can do. One drop of blood and all that. You'll always remain an Algerian to Algeria.
Only in Europe is the Arab a free man.
I don't know. I'm not a fan of Algeria at all, but at least it's better than the Saudi state. And of course, they have their own problems with Islamists down south.We shouldn't have let go of Algeria. For all the faults of colonialism, Algeria had theatres, cinemas, books. Now these are closed or burned. In their place, there are megamosques everywhere, secret police, backwardness.
Algeria in 2010 would've been the California of Europe if it were still three French departments.
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At least Algeria isn't paralyzed by strikes or rebelling youth....
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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8000 euro is a lot of money, I'm ok with government paying it, it are Dutch citizens so they deserve that protection, but Turkey really has to end this meddling crap. Our Turks.
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No. Our Dutch. The sooner that's settled the better.
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Turkey doesn't think so
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so the government pays 8000 euro and the people themself pay 5000 euro?
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Government pays 8000 here in the Neds, guess it's 5000 in France. They could really get in trouble if we didn't both abroad and here, you don't want to be labeled a traitor, a pack of grey wolves is at your doorstep before you can say baklava.
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does the government really pays??? thats what i want to know. or do the ppl pay themself or is it like a split deal?
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Re: Double Passports in the Government
Well yeah
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