Ah, the "Progressive Left"

[HoreTore]

If all you have offer is trolling verging on Racism I'll thank you to take a running jump out of my topic.

This comment(along with much else in this thread) is so surreal it's bordering on the paranormal. Can someone verify that Philipvs hasn't been abducted by an alien probe-patrol and replaced by an impersonator?



Seriously, we all have the need from time to call someone a head. I don't think anyone should care that strong language apparently offends weak, christian hearts.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This comment(along with much else in this thread) is so surreal it's bordering on the paranormal. Can someone verify that Philipvs hasn't been abducted by an alien probe-patrol and replaced by an impersonator?

The prejudice against Red-haired people is an anti-Celtic racial slur going back to the Romans and more recently employed by the English against the Irish. Ginger jokes are basically racist, they poke fun at a charactaristic which is a racial marker, just like comments about Africans being "thicklipped" - even Shakespeare saw that one as racist.

Seriously, we all have the need from time to call someone a head. I don't think anyone should care that strong language apparently offends weak, christian hearts.

Speak for yourself. Funnilly enough someone called me a "Tory head on election night because I voted for our local (Tory) MP rather than the Lib-Dem incomer.

Your comments about ginger people are something I am just as sick of as comments against anyone not left-of-centre, or anyone not an atheist.

You could use a racial slur against a black person.

You couldn't get away with calling a left-winger evil.

You can't get away with pointing out Hitler and his ideaology were atheistic (when the Pope did this one the New Atheists screamed bloody murder, despite them mounting a months-long hate campaign against him in exactly that vein.)

I abhor double-standards and hypocricy.

[HoreTore]

I abhor double-standards and hypocricy.

Quoted for extreme hilarity!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Quoted for extreme hilarity!

I dare you to substantiate that.

[HoreTore]

I dare you to substantiate that.

I'm clueless as to where to start, sorry.

Edit: but hey, I've seen some people argue that Loserpool is actually a good team too, so compared to that, the claims in this thread aint all that bad....

[Louis VI the Fat]

The sad thing is, we all know Harman, the equality minister, would never dare to even think of making jokes about female dogs. 'Scotland must keep its bitches in their place'.
Europe and the UK are overrun by black squirrels. These are non-native to the British ecosystem, an American import. They have made the red/ginger squirrel an endangered species. Of course, Harman would never ever joke about an African Secretary of Treasure: 'But there's one black rodent we never want to see in the Highlands of Scotland...'


It is the eternal problem of the PC / equality movement. These are emancipation movements, they view the world from the bottom up. Racism is what the man at the top does to the men below, sexism is what men do to women, Harriet Harman would die of indignation if somebody were to speak of Black politicians as 'undesirable black rodents'. She'd scream for his resignation and put his kids in re-education camp. Yet when she was preparing her text, not a single alarm went off in her head about the enormity of what she was about to say about a white man. It is not at all coincidental that it should be a former equality minister who should've made these comments.

The whole philosophy ought to die out. It belongs to the 1990s, two decades ago, back when every literary studies department had a 'Black Queen' at its head, preferably lesbian and resembling Whoopi Goldberg, because only black women were unsuspect.

[HoreTore]

The sad thing is, we all know Harman, the equality minister, would never dare to even think of making jokes about female dogs. 'Scotland must keep its bitches in their place'.
Europe and the UK are overrun by black squirrels. These are non-native to the British ecosystem, an American import. They have made the red/ginger squirrel an endangered species. Of course, Harman would never ever joke about an African Secretary of Treasure: 'But there's one black rodent we never want to see in the Highlands of Scotland...'


It is the eternal problem of the PC / equality movement. These are emancipation movements, they view the world from the bottom up. Racism is what the man at the top does to the men below, sexism is what men do to women, Harriet Harman would die of indignation if somebody were to speak of Black politicians as 'undesirable black rodents'. She'd scream for his resignation and put his kids in re-education camp. Yet when she was preparing her text, not a single alarm went off in her head about the enormity of what she was about to say about a white man. It is not at all coincidental that it should be a former equality minister who should've made these comments.

The whole philosophy ought to die out. It belongs to the 1990s, two decades ago, back when every literary studies department had a 'Black Queen' at its head, preferably lesbian and resembling Whoopi Goldberg, because only black women were unsuspect.

A common way people make up insults, is that they take a feature from the person they want to offend and add a bad word. Skin colour, age, sex, habits, etc etc.

So, we end up with terms like "you black asshole!" and "you old hag!". It's not supposed to be PC, it's supposed to be a a bloody insult.


And having said that, how someone can read politics into the insults people fling at people they despise is, quite frankly, beyond me. I can happily put extreme pressure on the "Fag"-part of Dag Eilev FAGermo's name because I hate him more than words can describe, but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my stance on homosexuals, and I don't see why anyone would think that it has.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'm clueless as to where to start, sorry.

Edit: but hey, I've seen some people argue that Loserpool is actually a good team too, so compared to that, the claims in this thread aint all that bad....

Substantiate or withdraw.

The sad thing is, we all know Harman, the equality minister, would never dare to even think of making jokes about female dogs. 'Scotland must keep its bitches in their place'.
Europe and the UK are overrun by black squirrels. These are non-native to the British ecosystem, an American import. They have made the red/ginger squirrel an endangered species. Of course, Harman would never ever joke about an African Secretary of Treasure: 'But there's one black rodent we never want to see in the Highlands of Scotland...'


It is the eternal problem of the PC / equality movement. These are emancipation movements, they view the world from the bottom up. Racism is what the man at the top does to the men below, sexism is what men do to women, Harriet Harman would die of indignation if somebody were to speak of Black politicians as 'undesirable black rodents'. She'd scream for his resignation and put his kids in re-education camp. Yet when she was preparing her text, not a single alarm went off in her head about the enormity of what she was about to say about a white man. It is not at all coincidental that it should be a former equality minister who should've made these comments.

The whole philosophy ought to die out. It belongs to the 1990s, two decades ago, back when every literary studies department had a 'Black Queen' at its head, preferably lesbian and resembling Whoopi Goldberg, because only black women were unsuspect.

As ever, the Frenchman puts it much better than the Englishman, but the Englishman said it first!

(racial overtones added for Irony, I agree with Loius - this is sad and out of date).

A common way people make up insults, is that they take a feature from the person they want to offend and add a bad word. Skin colour, age, sex, habits, etc etc.

So, we end up with terms like "you black asshole!" and "you old hag!". It's not supposed to be PC, it's supposed to be a a bloody insult.


And having said that, how someone can read politics into the insults people fling at people they despise is, quite frankly, beyond me. I can happily put extreme pressure on the "Fag"-part of Dag Eilev FAGermo's name because I hate him more than words can describe, but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my stance on homosexuals, and I don't see why anyone would think that it has.

So you don't hate Gays, but you think insinuating someone is one is a good insult?

There's a fundamental disconect there.

Maybe you just put too much effort into hating and insulti ng people.

[Fragony]

If you take out a single feature, let's say the flat nose of blacks, and use it in a negative way this same woman will claw out your eyes Horetore. It's amazing to me that you can't see the double standard here. Try 'black rodent', or 'arab rodent', feels the same? Doesn't huh. Reverse racism, whites are superior after all?

Come to mommy nigger good boy

[Beskar]

Nothing really more to say other than Louis was right.

[gaelic cowboy]

Louis is spot on here nuff said.

[HoreTore]

So you don't hate Gays, but you think insinuating someone is one is a good insult?

There's a fundamental disconect there.

Maybe you just put too much effort into hating and insulti ng people.

Insults are spontenaous.

@Frags: yes it will probably cause a stir in the oublic, all public insults usually do(like "ginger rodent"), but for crying out loud, we've all said stuff like that. I'm a leftie, and I see no racism in a guy who refers to a guy he dislikes as a "black ". Now, if he was to refer to all africans that way, I'd go for racism.

But seriously, if someone knocks a friend or yours down for no reason, then you are allowed to not like him and call the bastard names. I actually believe being a little emotional from time to time can be very healthy for your overall mental health....

[Fragony]

A rodent is a pest, pests should be exterminated.

[Furunculus]

Insults are spontenaous.

@Frags: yes it will probably cause a stir in the oublic, all public insults usually do(like "ginger rodent"), but for crying out loud, we've all said stuff like that. I'm a leftie, and I see no racism in a guy who refers to a guy he dislikes as a "black ". Now, if he was to refer to all africans that way, I'd go for racism.

But seriously, if someone knocks a friend or yours down for no reason, then you are allowed to not like him and call the bastard names. I actually believe being a little emotional from time to time can be very healthy for your overall mental health....

surprisingly, i find myself with horetore here.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Even if HoreTore is right in that we could be more relaxed about these things, the point about the double standard still stands. What would the reaction have been if Palin had a rush of blood to the head and called Obama a "dumb nigger" or something like that?

[rory_20_uk]

This was a speech, was it not? I imagine it had several drafts before being finalised. No hot headed outburst here, but a rodent-themed speech.

Dumb nigger would be inappropriate as he is not dumb. Aloof, disconnected, arrogant would all be more appropriate.

[Fragony]

Even if HoreTore is right in that we could be more relaxed about these things, the point about the double standard still stands. What would the reaction have been if Palin had a rush of blood to the head and called Obama a "dumb nigger" or something like that?

Horetore is right in so far that rightwingers should be used to insult by now. I would absolutely considder it racist if someone calls a black a black , and I would be pretty shocked if a politician did so. I'm all 'get over it' as well it's normal leftists get poisonous when you don't agree, but it really really annoys me nevertheless

[InsaneApache]

New Labour has enormous form on hypocrisy. This is not the first time that Harriden Harperson has got bent out of shape. Remember her calls for all women shortlists? That is, of course, unless you are her husband and want to get a safe seat in Parliament.

Then there's racist Dianne Abbott, who thinks that black mothers are superior to other colours of mothers.

Don't even mention the fact that these bastards who hobbled the working classes by abolishing grammar schools send their kids to fee paying schools. So it's ok to discrininate against merit as long as you have the money. Very council house I'm sure.

I recall a post a few years ago, by English assasin if memory serves. It recounts the cabinet room the day after the Freedom of Information Act came into force. One cabinet member turned to another and said, "What! You mean it applies to us?"

Says it all.

The modern left movement gets itself in all sorts of knots. Promotiing 'wimmins issues' unless they come into conflict with 'multiculterism'. So that female circumcision is promoted as culterally diverse, as is covering them up in a bin bag. It must be hell to live inside a lefties head. It makes me dizzy just thinking about it.

[al Roumi]

Arriving somewhat late to the flamewar party, I would like to make two comments and a couple of observations:

Comment:
1. Quite happy for Hattie Harman to be thrown to the wolves.
2. Oh dear, Labour is really not going to make the most of the weaknesses of the Coalition if this is their idea of opposition.

Observations, extra to the earlier mentioned "lack of soul" possessed by ginger people, I have it on hearsay good information that:
1. they are more aerodynamic than non-gingers
2. they smell of pee

[rory_20_uk]

They have a lower density of hair follicles....

[Strike For The South]

The red hair makes them predisposed to sin and they should all be rounded up and sent to new zeeland. Where they can only hurt kiwis. Im ok with that

[Louis VI the Fat]

Kiwis....mocked and poked fun at. Just for being different. Just because they are differently abled, made for the undergrowth instead of for flying. What's so funny about that!?


Even a kiwi dreams, as witness one of my favourite shorts:

[gaelic cowboy]

Take that back Strike those little Kiwis rock us red heads would never harm them

[HoreTore]

Even if HoreTore is right in that we could be more relaxed about these things, the point about the double standard still stands. What would the reaction have been if Palin had a rush of blood to the head and called Obama a "dumb nigger" or something like that?

You mean we haven't seen enough "Obama is Hitler"-signs by now....?

[Fragony]

You mean we haven't seen enough "Obama is Hitler"-signs by now....?

Oh common, it's stupid but it isn't exactly new to call political opponents Hitler. I don't agree with it but the left certainly is better at handing it out than recieving. Clue 'Ginger rodent'

[Rhyfelwyr]

You mean we haven't seen enough "Obama is Hitler"-signs by now....?

Not being held by a mainstream politician, no, that is the whole point...

[HoreTore]

Not being held by a mainstream politician, no, that is the whole point...

Ah yes, I forgot; right-wingers prefer to just praise the ones who hold the signs, being too cowardly to say the actual words themselves....

Because that's so much better.


EDIT: And this thread is, of course, a shining example of how conservatives never fling insults at their political opponents....or something....

[The Stranger]

Kiwis....mocked and poked fun at. Just for being different. Just because they are differently abled, made for the undergrowth instead of for flying. What's so funny about that!?


Even a kiwi dreams, as witness one of my favourite shorts:

how cute is that!! kamikazi kiwi!!!

[Skullheadhq]

If you take out a single feature, let's say the flat nose of blacks, and use it in a negative way this same woman will claw out your eyes Horetore. It's amazing to me that you can't see the double standard here. Try 'black rodent', or 'arab rodent', feels the same? Doesn't huh. Reverse racism, whites are superior after all?

Come to mommy nigger good boy

Gingers aren't a race.

[InsaneApache]

Gingers aren't a race.

Aw get you sweety. I'll scratch your eyes out.