Re: What should the voting age be?
How can you rule something that isn't working?Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
And wouldn't you define "the country" to mean "the people"?
No, it proves my point perfectly. Spain is a democracy, yes, but not at a good enough level that the Basques feel included and heard. When they feel included and heard, they will lay down their weapons instantly. And the way to achieve that is through more democracy, not less.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What should the voting age be?
Rubbish. The Basques are over such a small area they'd be subsumed in democracy as part of Spain. They want a democracy of their little area.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: What should the voting age be?
Are you implying people didn't work before democracy? People don't work for the government but for food, mortgage etc. etc.
No.
"When the candles are out all women are fair."
-Plutarch, Coniugia Praecepta 46
Re: What should the voting age be?
Their problem is that they don't feel that their voice is heard. How to make that voice heard, in their own democracy or within a spanish democracy is a secondary logistical problem. They say they want their own country, sure, but if they feel their voice is being heard as part of a spanish democracy, they will accept that.Rubbish. The Basques are over such a small area they'd be subsumed in democracy as part of Spain. They want a democracy of their little area.
No, you've misunderstood me completely.....And I'm not sure how to explain it any better, unfortunately.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What should the voting age be?
It's not that they're not being heard, they already have a great deal of autonomy but their only goal is independence from Spain, how much autonomy or democracy you'll give them doesn't really matter.
"When the candles are out all women are fair."
-Plutarch, Coniugia Praecepta 46
Re: What should the voting age be?
....And why do they want independence from Spain?
Because they feel they're not being heard. Why else would they want indepedence? Because they're really big on new flags?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What should the voting age be?
You're so funny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatism
"When the candles are out all women are fair."
-Plutarch, Coniugia Praecepta 46
Re: What should the voting age be?
Uhm, yes? Seperatism is what happens when a group doesn't feel like it's heard and seen, which is what I've been saying all along....
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: What should the voting age be?
You seem determined to stamp your views on everyone else. They want independence to be... independent.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: What should the voting age be?
......because......?You seem determined to stamp your views on everyone else. They want independence to be... independent.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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