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    Default Re: What should the voting age be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
    Yes, I suppose that would be an option. Interestingly, Wikipedia shows that the age of the draft has shifted wildly over the years. The very first Selective Service Act (1917) set the age of the draft as 21 to 30, with the age shifted to 21 to 45 in 1918. In 1940, the new draft age was set at 18 to 65 (!!!), and it's wavered up and down on the lower end of the scale since 1948.
    The 65 year olds must not have been for active duty...

    I understand what you're saying, but I'd need to see evidence that people are more willing to change their minds as they get older. My instinct makes me think that it's the other way around. Personally, I've only voted Republican once in my entire life, and that was when I was exactly 18 years old.
    Yes, the evidence part is the weak point, though it works both ways. I do recall studies showing that when people were instructed to write a short paper arguing a random point, follow up studies showed that something like 90% of them believed in the point they had defended. So it's less about minds changing as it is minds not being set. I think when people vote at 18 they have to justify that decision to themselves, and even though it is often based solely on their upbringing they will invent something and stick with that.

    To expand, I think the psychological research (which is common sense really) on our reasoning ability shows that it evolved to produce arguments and to evaluate arguments of others. But often when we produce arguments we fit them to a conclusion we already have or want (confirmation bias) and when evaluating the arguments of others we refute them anyway we can. Unless we have an additional motivation for truthfulness or honesty, which is pretty scarce and weak. So fundamentally when you have people saying "I'm a republican/I'm a democrat" they will filter everything through that. And we should delay their identifying with a party until they have a better filter.
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    A 12-year old, who has reached the formal operational stage, is perfectly capable of finding out what society he wishes to live in, the difference between good and bad, just and unjust, etc through logical reasoning. He is perfectly capable of pointing out what is wrong, and also to explain why he thinks it's wrong and what one can do to improve the situation. They understand fairness, that even though something does not directly improve your situation it can still be good.

    Thus, the voting age should be 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    To expand, I think the psychological research (which is common sense really) on our reasoning ability shows that it evolved to produce arguments and to evaluate arguments of others. But often when we produce arguments we fit them to a conclusion we already have or want (confirmation bias) and when evaluating the arguments of others we refute them anyway we can. Unless we have an additional motivation for truthfulness or honesty, which is pretty scarce and weak. So fundamentally when you have people saying "I'm a republican/I'm a democrat" they will filter everything through that. And we should delay their identifying with a party until they have a better filter.
    If the filter is your problem, playing with voting age isn't going to do anything about it. People still tend have an opinion on dilemma's regardless of whether or not they are actually allowed to affect it; age doesn't really mean that much there.

    So if you are lacking in the filters department there is only one freemarket approach possible: throw as many types of them at the wall and see which ones stick. I.e. have more political parties to accelerate political debate and provide people with new insights/reasoning.
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