Rights of the illegal immigrant

[rory_20_uk]

I wouldn't take heed of any links anyway what are Amnesty gonna say that they treat them ok so lets close our Dutch affiliate to concentrate on Burma and the like.

Amnesty has lost it's way in the last few years there are still plenty people in prison in Russia, Burma, China and North Korea thats what they should see as there core competency.

I agree. The massive influx of illegal immigrants to the West shows that all in all the benefits are worth the risks - else why not seek asylum in a neighbouring country like one is supposed to do, unstead of crossing continents to try to get the best deal?

[al Roumi]

I agree. The massive influx of illegal immigrants to the West shows that all in all the benefits are worth the risks - else why not seek asylum in a neighbouring country like one is supposed to do, unstead of crossing continents to try to get the best deal?

Why wouldn't one seek the best possible outcome from what has got to be an appaling thing to deal with? Especially when the "neighbouring country" might be already rammed with other refugees, all to quick to repatriate, incapable of helping you or in league with the people who you are fleeing from. People come to the west seeking asylum because of the liberty we proudly sound off about espousing.

On a seperate note, amnesty shouldn't be (but often is) put in the same phrase as migration. They are most definitley not the same thing.

[rory_20_uk]

A popular route is through most of Europe. Look at all the "asylum seekers" trying to leave france as things are better here in the UK for them. Fleeing terror or shopping around for the best deal for their future. Doing that they're clearly economic migrants.

Merely as we have liberty there was nothing saying that we're open for everyone to pile in. Most of these countries wanted independence. They've got it. Then they can enjoy all the fruits that independence has brought them.

[The Stranger]

ok fine... than withdraw all european operating companies from african, south american and asian soil and sea. evict all foreigners from these places. see how long europe will last -_-

do all you want to try and stop it, but the high days of fortress europe are gone. share or lose.

[Skullheadhq]

ok fine... than withdraw all european operating companies from african, south american and asian soil and sea. evict all foreigners from these places. see how long europe will last -_-

do all you want to try and stop it, but the high days of fortress europe are gone. share or lose.

We should build Normandy-like fortresses at the mediterrean to keep 'em out.

[Crazed Rabbit]

ok fine... than withdraw all european operating companies from african, south american and asian soil and sea. evict all foreigners from these places. see how long europe will last -_-

do all you want to try and stop it, but the high days of fortress europe are gone. share or lose.

Do you think all the people living in those African, S American and Asian countries would want that?

CR

[Beskar]

Afterall, it is how those countries are getting the money.

[Fragony]

The treatment of illegal immigrants is bad, prisoners are better of, but it's a capacity-problem it's simply impossible to do better. Stop comming here, better for them, better for us.

[The Stranger]

Afterall, it is how those countries are getting the money.

. it is how european and american and nowadays mostly chinese internationals are getting their money, and ofcourse the officials who are corrupt. and you can say yeh... all those african officials are corrupt and thats why its their own mess, but all those internationals are corrupts as well... not that it makes any difference because it is not about the officals or the internationals but about the people.

[The Stranger]

Do you think all the people living in those African, S American and Asian countries would want that?

CR

no i dont believe that. but none of the people living in europe would want that either if they knew how drastic their lives would change.


no more exotic fish, no more rice, no more coffee, no more tea, no more exotic herbs, no more chocolate, no more cheap clothing, no more toys except those from china and america, no more kebab (i think here fragony will start to show regrets), no more gold, no more oil, no more diamonds etc etc etc.

im just saying that if you say that it is their responisbility to clean up the mess than you should pull out all together and stop the blackmail of internationals and their violating of treaties and quotas.

and yes probably the entire world will collapse and change, but if i had to bet id put my money on the so called 3rd world countries, they will survive it much better than the "old and the new world"

[Strike For The South]

no more exotic fish, no more rice, no more coffee, no more tea, no more exotic herbs, no more chocolate, no more cheap clothing, no more toys except those from china and america, no more kebab (i think here fragony will start to show regrets), no more gold, no more oil, no more diamonds etc etc etc.

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lULZ, jokes on you homie I can just go the store and buy those things!

KICK THEM OUT KICK THEM OUT KICK THEM OUT

[The Stranger]

Most of these countries wanted independence. They've got it. Then they can enjoy all the fruits that independence has brought them.

btw

i hear this argument all the time, but it is only applied to africa. Why not the yugoslavian countries? they are helped out. America didnt leave europe to die after they helped get them independence and no one thinks it is weird, And i think the world would explode if Tibet would be left to rebuild itself without any help after china moves out (ofcourse this isnt likely to happen but still).

But ye... the world benefits from a stability in all those places, america needed a strong europe to trade with, europe needed a stable yugoslavian region, but africa can be most profited from when it is chaotic, because god forbid would there ever rise an economic and military powerhouse that would unite and pacify the continent... (ofcourse this isnt likely to happen but still, that doesnt mean we cant help to make sure it will never happen???)

also if you think that the african independecies were a euro-african conflict than you are naive and wrong, it was more a conflict between america and russia/china. the africans might have fought and bled for their independence, the type of independence they would get was decided by those 2 camps. and if one camp would win than the other camp would kill the african leader who was aided by the other camp.

[gaelic cowboy]

On a seperate note, amnesty shouldn't be (but often is) put in the same phrase as migration. They are most definitley not the same thing.

A quick perusal of the Irish Amnesty website lately shows they think the "Prisoner of Conscience" thing is old hat after the fall of Berlin wall etc. It's all stuff about mental health and various social rights whatever they are???

Amnesty is spreading themselves too thin in an effort to supposedly remain relevant this is flim flam, there are still plenty people in jails across the world in whatever dictatorship you care to mention.

Refugee rights if you believe in protecting them should be under another organisations remit, dilution of the Amnesty brand helps neither mental health in Ireland nor people in North Korean jails

Oh sure they still release the odd report on such an such a fella in some awful place but they have lost there way and instead of saying brilliant we succeded in country X let us close up here and tackle country Y they find new things to be angry about.