Rights of the illegal immigrant

**Beskar** · 11-06-2010, 16:39

Afterall, it is how those countries are getting the money.

**Fragony** · 11-07-2010, 02:32

The treatment of illegal immigrants is bad, prisoners are better of, but it's a capacity-problem it's simply impossible to do better. Stop comming here, better for them, better for us.

**Skullheadhq** · 11-07-2010, 10:19

Originally Posted by Fragony

The treatment of illegal immigrants is bad, prisoners are better of, but it's a capacity-problem it's simply impossible to do better. Stop comming here, better for them, better for us.

QFT

**The Stranger** · 11-07-2010, 11:25

Originally Posted by Beskar

Afterall, it is how those countries are getting the money.

. it is how european and american and nowadays mostly chinese internationals are getting their money, and ofcourse the officials who are corrupt. and you can say yeh... all those african officials are corrupt and thats why its their own mess, but all those internationals are corrupts as well... not that it makes any difference because it is not about the officals or the internationals but about the people.

**Fragony** · 11-07-2010, 11:29

Originally Posted by The Stranger

. it is how european and american and nowadays mostly chinese internationals are getting their money, and ofcourse the officials who are corrupt. and you can say yeh... all those african officials are corrupt and thats why its their own mess, but all those internationals are corrupts as well... not that it makes any difference because it is not about the officals or the internationals but about the people.

China is the best thing that ever happened to the Africans. http://www.dambisamoyo.com/

**The Stranger** · 11-07-2010, 11:36

Originally Posted by Fragony

China is the best thing that ever happened to the Africans. http://www.dambisamoyo.com/

that link doesnt really make much clear. but i take it that you have read the book.

however exploitation is still exploitation and perhaps the chinese form is a better one since they dont have the intention or the urge to occupy and expand (not yet, if ever). i should read the book perhaps to gain a better insight since it is a relatively new course (though china has been meddling in africas affairs for decades now, it hasnt done so for long as a capitalist country)

**Fragony** · 11-07-2010, 11:53

Originally Posted by The Stranger

that link doesnt really make much clear. but i take it that you have read the book.

however exploitation is still exploitation and perhaps the chinese form is a better one since they dont have the intention or the urge to occupy and expand (not yet, if ever). i should read the book perhaps to gain a better insight since it is a relatively new course (though china has been meddling in africas affairs for decades now, it hasnt done so for long as a capitalist country)

She is a bit of a personal hero of mine, she thinks that Africans *gasp* don't need us and development-aid is counterproductive. It's an excellent book with steamroller logic.

**The Stranger** · 11-07-2010, 12:06

Originally Posted by Fragony

She is a bit of a personal hero of mine, she thinks that Africans *gasp* don't need us and development-aid is counterproductive. It's an excellent book with steamroller logic.

i think i would agree. africa doesnt need europe in the way most people think africa needs europe. im inclined to say that europe needs africa more. ofcourse this is only true in a capitalist sense.

**Fragony** · 11-07-2010, 12:16

Originally Posted by The Stranger

i think i would agree. africa doesnt need europe in the way most people think africa needs europe. im inclined to say that europe needs africa more. ofcourse this is only true in a capitalist sense.

We could benefit from eachother in the best capitalistic way. Aid is the kiss of death. We should stop dumping our surplus there and stop protecting our own markets.