Lazy day

[gaelic cowboy]

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So your basically trying to say some kind of proto-middle class was developing maybe????? yes/no if thats the case then I would agree in leaving Ireland out as that dynamic was not here.

Ireland has elements of the superpower chess game really if you take Spain as having an oar in it, and there is clash between the Old English and Parliament chuck in the Confederate element and to be honest twas more like Afghanistan with shifting loyalty etc and fluid alliance dynamic.

[Rhyfelwyr]

So your basically trying to say some kind of proto-middle class was developing maybe????? yes/no if thats the case then I would agree in leaving Ireland out as that dynamic was not here.

Pretty much, yeah. I'm saying the socioeconomic element drove everything else. IMO religious issues, political issues, and in a longer-term sense even national issues are all secondary to the socioeconomic ones.

Heavens above, I have all but become a Marxist! Nah I've not really, I actually devote a little bit of it to being angry at Brian Manning for rigidly viewing the class-struggle issue in England as being central to everything, and ignoring the influence of events in Scotland.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

This is for you, dear Rhyfelwyr .

[Rhyfelwyr]

What's with the characters in those cartoons do they like the taste of razor blades or something?

[A Nerd]

What's with the characters in those cartoons do they like the taste of razor blades or something?

I don't think so. They do like the smell of flowers and quiet days spent in open spaces untouched by modernization!