Looks like the brits are still a fine people

[Rhyfelwyr]

Depends on what they are studying at Uni. If it is a useful profession, and will help train them for a position that the job-market has a demand for, then what you say it true.

But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.

[HoreTore]

But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.

Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.

I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.

[gaelic cowboy]

Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.

I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.

Norway routinely cordons off skilled professions with red tape etc to prevent such use of skilled foreign labour your unions would never allow it.

[HoreTore]

Norway routinely cordons off skilled professions with red tape etc to prevent such use of skilled foreign labour your unions would never allow it.

Yes....... Like how we don't have any foreign doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc etc........

And that's ignoring the fact that as a fellow EU-member, we cannot ban Brits.

What we do is demand that foreign workers are paid the same as a Norweigan worker. Are you able to name a profession we have "cordoned off"...?

So we educate them and you profit?

Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"

[gaelic cowboy]

Yes....... Like how we don't have any foreign doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc etc........

And that's ignoring the fact that as a fellow EU-member, we cannot ban Brits.

What we do is demand that foreign workers are paid the same as a Norweigan worker. Are you able to name a profession we have "cordoned off"...?



Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"

Eh Norway isnt in the EU

and your only covered to work in Norway's oil and gas industry unless you do Norways safety courses yet OPITO courses cover everyone else trust me I checked.

[HoreTore]

Eh Norway isnt in the EU

As far as working in Norway is concerned: yes, we are.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"

So suddenly we're a fan of the free market and the free movement of labour?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The only way to close the funding gap that is fair is to cut places and close universities. Take the bottom 20% of Uni's, close, sell off their buildings and return their funding to more worthy institutions, cut places at other Universities by 30% and you're done.

Those clever enough to get a place will, those who aren't won't. If you really want it you can keep applying until someone takes you. While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate, they spend far too much time drinking and partying right now.

[gaelic cowboy]

To be honest I dont see why they couldnt just shrink all those arts degrees down to two years etc.

[Rhyfelwyr]

While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate.

Try it and that'll be me smashing into the Conservative offices next time!

[HoreTore]

So suddenly we're a fan of the free market and the free movement of labour?

I'm against the concept of "borders" by principle, of course I'm all in favour of free movement of labour.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I'm against the concept of "borders" by principle, of course I'm all in favour of free movement of labour.

What?! I thought international capitalism and the free exchange of labour/goods is what allowed the western bourgeoisie to artificially extend their time in power, even Marx said imperialism gave capitalism a new lease on life. The decadent west thrives on the fruits of the labour of the little boy working in an Indian sweatshop!

[Tellos Athenaios]

Your gran gets £90,- state handout a week? When I studied I could only claim €75,- a month and I am expected to pay that back in due course. Where are those thousands you speak of Rhyfelwyr? <_<

[Rhyfelwyr]

Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.

I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.

So we educate them and you profit?

Your gran gets £90,- state handout a week? When I studied I could only claim €75,- a month and I am expected to pay that back in due course. Where are those thousands you speak of Rhyfelwyr? <_<

It's a pension so she presumably contributed some herself. Anyway, I get less than that, the point is you can still work when you are at Uni. And it's the education itself that costs thousands.

[gaelic cowboy]

Enter the Bank now fairly soon with American style college loans in Britain and Ireland.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I get less than that, the point is you can still work when you are at Uni. And it's the education itself that costs thousands.

True, education is expensive. I was just wondering where the thousands came from.

However I would submit that Universities only get a small portion of their funding through state subsidy or grants or similar programmes; at least the uni I went to acquires rather more funds through applied research (typically funded by private enterprises) or through spin offs of successful research projects.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Depends on what they are studying at Uni. If it is a useful profession, and will help train them for a position that the job-market has a demand for, then what you say it true.

But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.

My brother has both a BS and a MA in History/Liberal Arts and.... He is worknig at Target's. That proves Rhy's point quite well.



Why do your Brits complain about this? We pay (I'm not,going to community college :D) $25,000 a year and your Brits pay what, only 5,000 or 10,000 a year? Give me a break. Go out and get a job you bums .