Did Zeus never teach Athena to have some tolerance with Muslims?

[Strike For The South]

Outside of our little world, violence between men is commonplace, but when women and children start getting beat up it means things are generally getting serious. It must take some amount of hatred to overcome the natural tendency not to harm women and children.

The natural tendency to not harm women and children?

lol. Women and children are most commonly those getting the tom kicked out of them, because men who use violence are generaly cowards. People who start/go looking for fights are generaly cowards. These Greeks are cowards

See the trend?

[Megas Methuselah]

Maaaaaan, it's been much too long since I egged and stoned something.

[Fragony]

White trash meh. No fan of Islam but this is idiotic

[HoreTore]

The natural tendency to not harm women and children?

lol. Women and children are most commonly those getting the tom kicked out of them, because men who use violence are generaly cowards. People who start/go looking for fights are generaly cowards. These Greeks are cowards

See the trend?

/thread

But how can you deny it?

I don't even care what other peoples stance is on this. If you feel that way, kudos to you, but I don't.

[Shaka_Khan]

Christians made Zeusism and Athenaism disappear before the Muslims could.

[Andres]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AF2HM20101116

Dozens of far-right activists and local residents threw eggs and taunted hundreds of Muslim immigrants as they gathered to pray in a central square for Eid al-Adha surrounded by a protective cordon of riot police.

A few local far-right nutjobs is not = "The Greeks".

That's like insinuating that all Flemings are nationalists and seperatists because some 50 flag waving idiots threw rotten eggs at some Walloon provocateur or like insinuating the Walloons want civil war because some drunk Walloon low life beat up a Flemish politician.

Meh. Sensationalism.

[Fragony]

A few local far-right nutjobs is not = "The Greeks".

That's like insinuating that all Flemings are nationalists and seperatists because some 50 flag waving idiots threw rotten eggs at some Walloon provocateur or like insinuating the Walloons want civil war because some drunk Walloon low life beat up a Flemish politician.

Meh. Sensationalism.

Oh common they live in Greece that makes them Greeks. Everybody understands that it weren't all the Greeks doing this there is no need to be so specific.

[Rhyfelwyr]

The natural tendency to not harm women and children?

lol. Women and children are most commonly those getting the tom kicked out of them, because men who use violence are generaly cowards. People who start/go looking for fights are generaly cowards. These Greeks are cowards

See the trend?

This isn't chauvinism, I remember a feminist teacher went crazy when one guy suggested mean should be able to hit women in retaliation if they are equal.

Also, men that use violence are not cowards, that is pc bs since for some reason nowadays we call everyone cowards when we don't like them/disapprove of what they do. Taliban? Cowards. Guy tops himself? Coward. Guy goes looking for a fight where he could get hurt? Coward... yeah, whatever.

[al Roumi]

Also, men that use violence are not cowards

No, he de big Boss an no-one gonna risk gettin dere skull broke. /Orc

Wife beating is cowardly.

If violence per se is not cowardly, it is pretty prehistoric and should be obsolete in a civilised society. If it's seen as nesseccary, then things have clearly degenerated too far.

I am rather concerened about how this episode will go down overseas. It will easily be inflated into some sort of further evidence that Europe and Christians hate Muslims.

[Fragony]

I am rather concerened about how this episode will go down overseas. It will easily be inflated into some sort of further evidence that Europe and Christians hate Muslims.

Ditto, idiots. Lunatics handing lunatics a stick. These people who got attacked aren't a problem.

[Hax]

Ditto, idiots. Lunatics handing lunatics a stick. These people who got attacked aren't a problem.

Exactly, I can add very little to this.

[Rhyfelwyr]

....And in your opinion, feminists are always right....?

Nope, just sheltering myself from the inevitable leftist moral outrage.

No, he de big Boss an no-one gonna risk gettin dere skull broke. /Orc

Wife beating is cowardly.

Cos that's really what I'm saying yeah if you hit someone you're a hard man wth...

I agree wife beating is cowardly (they only do it behind closed doors, plus they wouldn't take on someone their own size), didn't say it wasn't, I was just asking why people think any sort of violence is cowardly, strangely the sort of people that say that sort of thing tend to be liberal types that would probably conscietiously object if they got called up. Doing the noble thing I don't think thouhg, covering their own arse more like.

[rory_20_uk]

I have had female friends who think that men should never hit women - even if they hit men first. Equality = men are punch-bags... Feminists often appear to want to keep all the historic "ladies first" / "women and children first" aspects and in the next breath be equal in everything else that they've not got an advantage in.

I'm sorry, but regardless of who hits me I am allowed to defend myself and yes in some cases that would include violence to almost any sub-group of individuals. I'm not going to look to beat up women, nor look to pick on persons in wheel chairs, but if there were two attacking me with knives I'd undertake measures to protect my own well-being before hangups about their gender. If that ends with bruises or broken bones so be it - as long as it doesn't end up with my liver skewered.

Violence is prehistoric. And civilisation is a thin veneer (a few thousand years tops) over a hell of a lot longer where the world is simply two camps - your friends / tribe and targets / resources to be killed and/or taken. Anyone who has played a contact sport knows the adrenaline high prior to the match starting and the way one can jog off with narry a twinge yet wake up the next morning with agony from aches and hitherto-unseen bruises. We're built to fight. Sure, we can think a bit more these days, but when the stress hormones kick in, we brain redistributes blood to the more "ancient" areas of the brain where introspection = death.

[Beskar]

I have had female friends who think that men should never hit women - even if they hit men first. Equality = men are punch-bags... Feminists often appear to want to keep all the historic "ladies first" / "women and children first" aspects and in the next breath be equal in everything else that they've not got an advantage in.

I remember this off-duty police officer who got beaten up by a bunch of kids (13-15 year olds, a group of them) in the middle of the street and ended up in hospital. The thing was, he wasn't allowed to fight back or he would have lost his job.

Sad times.

[Cute Wolf]

well, hitting a teenager who can hit you back is "definitely had more risk", and they are borderline of the "children" definition.

the problem is they hit 4-5 years old children, and women who don't put a fight back...

well... I was rather surprised when some comments here implies : women equality = they are equal to be hit and assumed they can fight back...

[Fragony]

Nope, just sheltering myself from the inevitable leftist moral outrage.



Cos that's really what I'm saying yeah if you hit someone you're a hard man wth...

I agree wife beating is cowardly (they only do it behind closed doors, plus they wouldn't take on someone their own size), didn't say it wasn't, I was just asking why people think any sort of violence is cowardly, strangely the sort of people that say that sort of thing tend to be liberal types that would probably conscietiously object if they got called up. Doing the noble thing I don't think thouhg, covering their own arse more like.

Violence isn't cowardly you can get hurt, abuse is cowardly, they can't/won't hurt you back . Got little problems with ending a dispute violently mamma didn't raise me all that well, but it's not my first choice, but if you are really asking for it be my vict- guest

[al Roumi]

...I was just asking why people think any sort of violence is cowardly, strangely the sort of people that say that sort of thing tend to be liberal types that would probably conscietiously object if they got called up. Doing the noble thing I don't think thouhg, covering their own arse more like.

Do you conscientiously object to conscientious objectors? probably not your style, given the above.

I completely agree that we have bred/evolved in a way that suits us to violence but if civilisation means anything, it is that we try to supersede the more survivalist tendencies. I'd agree that civilisation itself rests, in no small part, on violence -but it is the creation of that non-violent space at its core, which defines civilisation for me.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sad events.


Greece sees a lot of (illegal) immigration. Much of it passing through to go to Europe. Erm...to go further into Europe I mean. Little is done for these people. They are neither properly kept out by Greece (which the EU has now taken upon itself to an extent), nor properly taken care of. Whatever one may think of an illegal immigrant, he is a human being and this is Europe.

The result is that many Greek cities have squatter camps of (illegal) foreigners. (Not unlike the forests near Calais...) They hang out a bit, some have local jobs during the day. But most just sit there. They've ran out of money, they can't afford to travel further to Germany or Britain, they can't afford their return home.

The local Greeks get restless. The little square where their children played five years ago is now unsafe, unruly. Groups of Afghan men get picked up every night, by a van driven by two Albanian or Bulgarian mobsters, off to do something unclear. There is mutual aggression between the locals and the foreign squatters.

It is a nasty situation. Then occasionally hell breaks lose....

[Furunculus]

Greece sees a lot of (illegal) immigration. Much of it passing through to go to Europe. Erm...to go further into Europe I mean. Little is done for these people. They are neither properly kept out by Greece (which the EU has now taken upon itself to an extent).

The local Greeks get restless. The little square where their children played five years ago is now unsafe, unruly. Groups of Afghan men get picked up every night, by a van driven by two Albanian or Bulgarian mobsters, off to do something unclear. There is mutual aggression between the locals and the foreign squatters.

makes schengen seem like a thoroughly stupid idea, pity we joined it............... no wait, we didn't!

[al Roumi]

makes schengen seem like a thoroughly stupid idea, pity we joined it............... no wait, we didn't!

Not sure that's really the point... The UK's non-membership of Schengen is why there are seperate camps near Calais. If the UK were part of the Schengen agreement, it would just mean there would be fewer people camped out near Calais. All you really have to feel smug about is the channel

[gaelic cowboy]

makes schengen seem like a thoroughly stupid idea, pity we joined it............... no wait, we didn't!

Neither did we.

[Tellos Athenaios]

makes schengen seem like a thoroughly stupid idea, pity we joined it............... no wait, we didn't!

Well, may I be allowed to channel a call for “bollox! etc.” here and point out:
(1) Schengen is for members of Schengen countries. I.e. those immigrants got nothing to do with that: they are a different problem. (One of housing and some sort of supervision so they don't go “missing”.)
(2) Schengen further lowers barriers among Schengen members which means the cost of doing business that involves crossing borders on a routine basis is lowered substantially. Time is money, remember?
(3) And purely subjectively it's plain awesome I can just go where-ever I want to in Schengen countries without being interrupted by some bored and short-tempered sod in a high visibility jacket. You might never leave the shores of the UK, I would not know, but I can trivially step on a train to visit Hussar or Louis should I chose to without somebody asking for my passport then handing it straight back to me without even looking at me. (Which is what it is like when you exit the ferry from Calais in Dover; the French don't even bother asking for anything.)

[HoreTore]

This isn't chauvinism, I remember a feminist teacher went crazy when one guy suggested mean should be able to hit women in retaliation if they are equal.

....And in your opinion, feminists are always right....?

[Strike For The South]

This isn't chauvinism, I remember a feminist teacher went crazy when one guy suggested mean should be able to hit women in retaliation if they are equal.

That's because your teacher is an idoit

Also, men that use violence are not cowards, that is pc bs since for some reason nowadays we call everyone cowards when we don't like them/disapprove of what they do. Taliban? Cowards. Guy tops himself? Coward. Guy goes looking for a fight where he could get hurt? Coward... yeah, whatever.

Violence is an extreme act of cowardice in most cases, throwing things at peaceful muslims is cowardice. True violence is terrible. it is meant, in the best of scenarios to instill fear and in the worst case of scenarios kill. A whole gneration of watching violence on TV has us desensitized.

If you commit to using violence you should be prepared to die, if someone was pelting me with eggs and threatning my family. I would've gone over there kicked him in the testicles, gouged his eyes out and stomped on his trachea until I was sure he was dead.

If a muslim had done that in this scenario I wouldn't have faulted him because thats what violence is. That's what these Greeks were half ass commiting themselves to.

Be in it to win it son.

[Rhyfelwyr]

That's because your teacher is an idoit

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

Violence is an extreme act of cowardice in most cases, throwing things at peaceful muslims is cowardice.

How is it cowardice, it just seems like stupidity to me. These thugs are probably the type that do regularly engage in fights and would fight back if things escalated. Thugs, but not necessarily cowards.

I'm not defending these people I'm just objecting to the strange use of the word "coward".

[Beskar]

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

You haven't be hit by a female then, obviously.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

You haven't be hit by a female then, obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1YfxBn5oU4

The word "hit" is too vague to bother talking about though.

How is it cowardice, it just seems like stupidity to me. These thugs are probably the type that do regularly engage in fights and would fight back if things escalated. Thugs, but not necessarily cowards.

I'm not defending these people I'm just objecting to the strange use of the word "coward".

Yes. Cowardice is when you avoid something do to fear, not when you attack someone in anger. If someone attacks a child instead of a man, the avoiding of the man was cowardly and the attack on the child was vicious.

[Beskar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1YfxBn5oU4

The word "hit" is too vague to bother talking about though.

I think that video supports my point though.

[HoreTore]

Men are on average much stronger than women, why can't people accept this fact. If a man hits a woman the chances are he will seriously hurt her, while the reverse is not true.

I work out with Vibeke Skofterud a couple of times a week.

I'm not the only male in that gym she'd have no problem beating up... Nor is she the only fit female there.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I work out with Vibeke Skofterud a couple of times a week.

I'm not the only male in that gym she'd have no problem beating up... Nor is she the only fit female there.

How do exceptions disporove general trends?