Look - the Pope isn't evil!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Basically, the Pope has said that if you use a condom to prevent disease transmission, that is better than not using one and knowlingly infecting someone with something.

I suspect he has always thought this, as have most other catholic theologians 0 but has only now been able to express it openly.

Horribly biased article from the Guardian that describes the historical Vatican position as both "wicked" and "romantic" in the opening paragraph:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ban-overturned

People have been jumping up exicitedly about this all day, but I fail to see the interest really - at least not the way left-leaning Liberals do. The position is an obvious case of opting for the "lesser Sin" between two Sins, which is pretty central to catholicism in its various denominational varients.

Shock horror.

So, have at boys.

[HoreTore]

Sex before marriage is great.

End of thread.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I don't get his example, shoudn't he be more concerned about the facts they are prostitutes in the first place?

[Ronin]

The Vatican spin machines waters down the comunication:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...-condoms_N.htm

nothing to see here...more along.

[gaelic cowboy]

I don't get his example, shoudn't he be more concerned about the facts they are prostitutes in the first place?

Rhyfelwyr your better than this.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Rhyfelwyr your better than this.

Wut that wasn't an attack (thought about having a little troll but didn't). I don't have an issue with the Vatican's stance on contraception, makes me feel a bit out of place though, normally its the crazy Proddies like me that should be spoiling everyones fun and saying you can only do enjoyable things if they have a practical purpose eg sex for procreation.

I just thought it was a strange example to use. If you go along with the church's view that prostitution is a moral sin, then saying they should use a condom to make it less bad is kind of like saying a murderer should kill his victims in a humane way and that this would be the first step on the road to taking moral responsibility as they put it.

Obviously using the condom would have the benefit of preventing the risk of aids, I just don't think it fits into his example since the issue with aids is not a direct part of the moral issue. I mean, people generally don't set out to give people aids when they have unprotected sex, so wearing a condom has nothing to do with the morality of the act. It's more a case of being unaware of the dangers in most cases I would think.

So I wasn't meaning to troll, I was just having a sasaki moment in being ridiculously rigid in my interpretation of things and being a bit of a stickler for 100% correctness in setting the parameters for the discussion or something. You know I don't even know what I am talking about right now, too many long days of late.

[Fragony]

Does it matter small kids don't get pregnant anyway

[HoreTore]

Does it matter small kids don't get pregnant anyway

[Ronin]

Does it matter small kids don't get pregnant anyway

but now you can put a condom in your kid's pocket when you send him to church....an important step!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I just thought it was a strange example to use. If you go along with the church's view that prostitution is a moral sin, then saying they should use a condom to make it less bad is kind of like saying a murderer should kill his victims in a humane way and that this would be the first step on the road to taking moral responsibility as they put it.

I think that's exactly the idea - having unprotected sex when you know you have HIV is worse in the Poep's view than just being promiscuous.

Isn't that the basis of what every parent says to their children at a certain point?

"You're too young to have sex, but wear a condom."

[HoreTore]

I think that's exactly the idea - having unprotected sex when you know you have HIV is worse in the Poep's view than just being promiscuous.

Isn't that the basis of what every parent says to their children at a certain point?

"You're too young to have sex, but wear a condom."

My parents have never told me or any of my siblings anything negative about sex, nor that we shouldn't have any. Instead they've told us that we should protect ourselves without saying that our behaviour is wrong. They trusted our ability to make the right choices, and are of the opinion that sex is a good thing that they wouldn't want to spoil for us.

What's the result of that?

None of us have gotten pregnant or got anyone pregnant. None of us has had an STD. None of us has had a bad experience with sex. None of us judge and look down upon people who have multiple partners.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think that's exactly the idea - having unprotected sex when you know you have HIV is worse in the Poep's view than just being promiscuous.

Well I guess that's a fair point then. Although less revolutionary than what people are making out.

Isn't that the basis of what every parent says to their children at a certain point?

"You're too young to have sex, but wear a condom."

I thank Jesus every day that my parents said no such thing to me.