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    From what I've gathered the general attitude of the majority of the Republic towards a united Ireland is indifference, not deference. If nationalists get a majority in the North and are able to take democratic towards unification, would the Republic reject them?
    Indifference mainly because it has become an eternally delayable piety in effect, the South has an advantage in that all we really have to do is sit back and if it happens it happens most people are fine with that idea. Would we reject the vote for reunification no we cant because we signed the Good Friday Agreement which states we wait till the majority votes for it.

    On this Nationalist reinvigration I have seen some writing on this from people like George Friedman and the like where a state divided like North is from the South has a major problem in that we have a land border with the North but they dont have one with UK. Effectively we can reinfuse our culture and politics into the North on a continual basis the UK cannot.

    This is happening in the USA now with the rise of the Latinos they can continually reinvigorate the identity and culture but the older European stock cannot we basically gave them the lot ages ago.

    The other problem for nation states is that power is being squeezed from the middle ie the state and going towards local and supra-national organisations which are taken over the BIG and the Local problems.

    Effectively were globalising the local which was an idea proposed by Thomas Friedman in his book the World is Flat at least I think it was him I will have to dig out the book again.
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    Default Re: Future for the British Isles?

    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    Indifference mainly because it has become an eternally delayable piety in effect, the South has an advantage in that all we really have to do is sit back and if it happens it happens most people are fine with that idea. Would we reject the vote for reunification no we cant because we signed the Good Friday Agreement which states we wait till the majority votes for it.
    Well that was what I was saying, you shouldn't dismiss the possibility of a united Ireland on the grounds that most people in the Republic don't care, since ultimately the impetus for it is going to come from the North. As you said the demographics are increasingly in Sinn Fein's advantage, how long can it be before they are in charge?

    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    On this Nationalist reinvigration I have seen some writing on this from people like George Friedman and the like where a state divided like North is from the South has a major problem in that we have a land border with the North but they dont have one with UK. Effectively we can reinfuse our culture and politics into the North on a continual basis the UK cannot.

    This is happening in the USA now with the rise of the Latinos they can continually reinvigorate the identity and culture but the older European stock cannot we basically gave them the lot ages ago.

    The other problem for nation states is that power is being squeezed from the middle ie the state and going towards local and supra-national organisations which are taken over the BIG and the Local problems.

    Effectively were globalising the local which was an idea proposed by Thomas Friedman in his book the World is Flat at least I think it was him I will have to dig out the book again.
    Yeah this is all more what I was getting at in the OP. It's not about some archaic ethno-religious conflict in NI, it is about how these wider changes takes place at least in western Europe if not across the whole world will translate into the political systems in the British Isles. Personally I would prefer stronger local governments over 'national' parliaments at Edinburgh/Cardiff etc, since they create a lot of political problems and imbalances, and give a minority of citizens privileges over the rest.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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