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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    I agree it is more complex than just having yesmen but it is a valid observation of these governments.

    My bit on intelligence stands up I would say spying in Nazi Germany was a basically useless for warfare and only used to watch the people and to watch the other members of the government.
    The authoritarian Stalin made a war-winning decision(moving troops from Siberia to Stalingrad) based on the intelligence(that the Japanese would attack the US, not Siberia) he recieved from his spy in the Japanese court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    The authoritarian Stalin made a war-winning decision(moving troops from Siberia to Stalingrad) based on the intelligence(that the Japanese would attack the US, not Siberia) he recieved from his spy in the Japanese court.
    There is always an exception to every rule and he ignored spies who told him Nazi Germany was about to invade.

    Anyway it doesnt matter the point is if there is to be a war you chances of winning go up if your democratic which we both agree on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    There is always an exception to every rule and he ignored spies who told him Nazi Germany was about to invade.

    Anyway it doesnt matter the point is if there is to be a war you chances of winning go up if your democratic which we both agree on.
    Yes, but remember that it's 00:18 here and I'm dilusional from writing a paper for the last way-too-many-hours.....
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    IMO the main basis for the democratic success in wars idea is the fact they are meritocratic. Dictators tend to mess up their militaries either through nepotism, or by deliberately crippling them to reduce the threat of a coup by dividing them into different factions (often ethnic based, eg Syria in the 60's), or by completely confusing the chain of command so nobody knows who takes orders from who (eg Argentinian junta). Better just to have a democratic system where the military is accountable to the people, and is given the necessary freedom to do its job properly.

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    Yes, but remember that it's 00:18 here and I'm dilusional from writing a paper for the last way-too-many-hours.....
    Heh, I often have similar problems writing on these boards.
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    The armies of the 20th Centuary were democratic. Is this a long term trend or a blip?

    New Model Army: run by a dictator, but efficient
    Napoleon: An autocratic Emperor, but won battles
    Roman Empire: worked under both a republic and an Emperor; Byzantine empire was there for hundreds more years
    Japanese armies: under a Monarchy. Yes, they lost WW2, but they won most things before that and I don't think being a democracy suddenly makes one beat America.
    Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Peter the Great...
    Vietnamese: Communist
    Cambodian: Communist
    Red Army (post revolution): Communist

    So, loads of autocratic regimes have been whipping all foes before them for hundreds of years.

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    Democracy is better at peace, democratic countries usually don't go to war with other democratic countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Democracy is better at peace, democratic countries usually don't go to war with other democratic countries
    Rather a broad brush. America has been in "kinetic situations" for years now, tirelesly helping other countries by "sending the Marines". Britain isn't much better on that score.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    The armies of the 20th Centuary were democratic. Is this a long term trend or a blip?

    New Model Army: run by a dictator, but efficient
    Napoleon: An autocratic Emperor, but won battles
    Roman Empire: worked under both a republic and an Emperor; Byzantine empire was there for hundreds more years
    Japanese armies: under a Monarchy. Yes, they lost WW2, but they won most things before that and I don't think being a democracy suddenly makes one beat America.
    Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Peter the Great...
    Vietnamese: Communist
    Cambodian: Communist
    Red Army (post revolution): Communist

    So, loads of autocratic regimes have been whipping all foes before them for hundreds of years.

    When a dictator fights a dictator, one of them will of course win.

    I fail to see how stating the obvious is an argument though.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    When a dictator fights a dictator, one of them will of course win.

    I fail to see how stating the obvious is an argument though.
    Don't get too carried away. Being a democracy doesn't make you invincible, you can't take the democratic success idea to be an absolute rule. The form of government is a moderately-important factor when weighed up against other things in determining how a war will come out. Most studies show democracy to be the best form in this respect, although there is also a tendency for the most authoritarian regimes to do pretty well, so the consolidation of the government in question has also got a lot to do with things.
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