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    Illeteracy, makes it easy. Ask the imam.
    Ask the Catholic church. It is why they didn't want the bibles translated.
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    "Didn't want" is hardly a strong enough term. "Tried to torture and kill anyone who even suggested it for centuries" is more accurate.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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    Ask the Catholic church. It is why they didn't want the bibles translated.
    Gutenberg says anything to you. Reflex anyway, if you insist on comparing christanity with the islam you only show that you know nothing about either.

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    Gutenberg says anything to you. Reflex anyway, if you insist on comparing christanity with the islam you only show that you know nothing about either.
    All religions are the same.
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    All religions are the same.
    No that's bull, islam is both a stateform (well not really a state, but a political ideoligy) and a religion. Christianity is set in society, islam dictates society. Not a particular fan of either mind you, all religions are pretty much equal in the amount of patience I have for the religious, being somewhat less patient with muslims comes naturally cause they whine more.

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    Christianity doesn't set society, but it used to and it wasn't a power that was given up easily. Islam is more entrenched at the moment.

    Muslims complain about being discriminated on the West. There was one on TV last night stating this. He was dressed in a cap, a long beard and wore robes. Of course the fact he's not bothered to integrate at all is not a factor of the discrimination... The other elephant in the room is the utter lack of equality of religions in so many Islamic countries. When other religions can convert people there in the way Muslims can over here then we can have a chat. As it stands you are in deep trouble possessing a bible.

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    Christianity doesn't set society, but it used to and it wasn't a power that was given up easily. Islam is more entrenched at the moment.

    Muslims complain about being discriminated on the West. There was one on TV last night stating this. He was dressed in a cap, a long beard and wore robes. Of course the fact he's not bothered to integrate at all is not a factor of the discrimination... The other elephant in the room is the utter lack of equality of religions in so many Islamic countries. When other religions can convert people there in the way Muslims can over here then we can have a chat. As it stands you are in deep trouble possessing a bible.

    Islam isn't missionary.
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    Islam isn't missionary.
    Yet there are both forced conversions as well as individuals calling for others to convert.

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    No that's bull, islam is both a stateform (well not really a state, but a political ideoligy) and a religion. Christianity is set in society, islam dictates society. Not a particular fan of either mind you, all religions are pretty much equal in the amount of patience I have for the religious, being somewhat less patient with muslims comes naturally cause they whine more.
    No it isn't. Christianity was heavily dictating society (see: Inquisition and various references) and is very much political ideology, even having a big influence today (See: American politics). So anything you say Islam does, Christainity has done, at least historically. Same for the Hindu religion and many others.

    It is just the natural traits of religion, and it is not just 'Islam', it is all religions. They are all used as means of control and power.

    On other notes, many muslims are as religious as catholics I know. They just went through some service as a kid, and just call themselves Muslim/Catholic for the rest of their lives. But for some reason, you attack these as well just because of the label of 'Muslim'.

    It is would be more correct to be attacking "aggressive religion"which includes all the bad bits of Islam, and all the bad bits from Christian Fundamentalism as well. All your examples are not just unique within Islam, they are elsewhere as well.

    I am against all aggressive religions, I don't cherry pick the 'sensationalist pick of the hour' which Islam pretty much falls under since 9/11.
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    @Beskar, what has been done doesn't matter, what has to be done matters. Bible is written in passed pressence there is no obligation god can handle things just fine, that is totally different from the islam who sends mankind on a mission in the name of god

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    @Beskar, what has been done doesn't matter, what has to be done matters. Bible is written in passed pressence there is no obligation god can handle things just fine, that is totally different from the islam who sends mankind on a mission in the name of god
    The solution to that would be the naturalization of 'Western Liberal Democracy' into the population. So where many Christianities cherry-pick from the bible, many Muslims cherry-pick from the Koran.
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