This Week's Evil Islam Thread

[rory_20_uk]

Why are you comparing a democratic UK to a dictatorship?

Religion is persecuted in China as well, should british people of chinese origin face restrictions too? Shouldn't Chinese Brits be allowed to tell others of Taoism because the Chinese Communist Party hunts down christian missionaries?

In China, as you well know, religion is persecuted by the state.
In Pakistan, as you well know, religion is persecuted by followers of the religion and the state which is itself heavily influenced by the same religion.

Why build this particular straw man?

[HoreTore]

In China, as you well know, religion is persecuted by the state.
In Pakistan, as you well know, religion is persecuted by followers of the religion and the state which is itself heavily influenced by the same religion.

Why build this particular straw man?

The cultural revolution, as you should be well aware of, wasn't just done by "the state", but but millions of chinese people. Just like the holocaust was done by the german people and not Hitler personally, and religious persecution in Pakistan is done by religious people in Pakistan and not the Prime Minister personally.

Attributing the deadly flaws of communism to a select few, a "corrupt elite"(or state), is a well-known communist denial lie. I wasn't aware of any others subscribing to such nonsense. The attrocities committed by Communism, Nazism, Islamism, Cathlocism or whatever isn't performed by Mao, Hitler or some pope or mullah, they are performed by the masses, who are in turned whipped into action by those mullahs, popes or Maos.

[rory_20_uk]

Oh, in China you're going back 60 years. You didn't mention that.

I was meaning that in Pakistan it is done by the individual Muslims - that was my whole point. And yes, they are whipped to greater acts of intolerance and hatred by their religious leaders.

How exactly does this make it a good thing?

[HoreTore]

Oh, in China you're going back 60 years. You didn't mention that.

I was meaning that in Pakistan it is done by the individual Muslims - that was my whole point. And yes, they are whipped to greater acts of intolerance and hatred by their religious leaders.

It's been happening for 60 years now, yes. And it's still done by individual Chinese citizens, though certainly helped by the state, just like religious persecution in Pakistan is done by individual Pakistanis, though certainly helped by religious authorities.

And I fail to see the difference between the two. Except, perhaps, that religion was nearly wiped out by the cultural revolution in China, so the opportunity to persecute religion isn't so big there anymore.

How exactly does this make it a good thing?

Good? Who's talking about "good"? My question was why what's happening in Pakistan(or China) should affect the lives of British citizens.

[rory_20_uk]

I still think China is a poor example, as it has increasingly opened up to various different religions which are tolerated as long as they do not try to undermine the state.

For Pakistan you can interchange Iran, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or any number of other Islamic states. It so happened that Pakistan is the current cause celebre as well as is the home of many Muslims in the UK. I find the irony that they feel persecuted at the same time their extended family does vastly worse things to other religions. No introspective "perhaps things here aren't perfect, but are a lot worse elsewhere" or "remove the plank from my own eye before the speck from my neighbours".

[Fragony]

The difference between the two is that you excuse the fundamentalist islam by bringing up the cultural revolution, and would never excuse the cultural revolution by bringing up the fundamentalist islam.

[HoreTore]

I find the irony that they feel persecuted at the same time their extended family does vastly worse things to other religions.

I still don't see why that should affect british laws.

The difference between the two is that you excuse the fundamentalist islam by bringing up the cultural revolution, and would never excuse the cultural revolution by bringing up the fundamentalist islam.

Nonsense.

Does bringing up Gulag excuse the Holocaust? I think not.

[Fragony]

Does bringing up Gulag excuse the Holocaust? I think not.

Neither do I, and I don't feel the need to relativate either

[rory_20_uk]

I still don't see why that should affect british laws.

Laws? No. A feeling of gratitude towards one's supposedly adopted country? Yes.