This Week's Evil Islam Thread

[HoreTore]

Oh, in China you're going back 60 years. You didn't mention that.

I was meaning that in Pakistan it is done by the individual Muslims - that was my whole point. And yes, they are whipped to greater acts of intolerance and hatred by their religious leaders.

It's been happening for 60 years now, yes. And it's still done by individual Chinese citizens, though certainly helped by the state, just like religious persecution in Pakistan is done by individual Pakistanis, though certainly helped by religious authorities.

And I fail to see the difference between the two. Except, perhaps, that religion was nearly wiped out by the cultural revolution in China, so the opportunity to persecute religion isn't so big there anymore.

How exactly does this make it a good thing?

Good? Who's talking about "good"? My question was why what's happening in Pakistan(or China) should affect the lives of British citizens.

[rory_20_uk]

I still think China is a poor example, as it has increasingly opened up to various different religions which are tolerated as long as they do not try to undermine the state.

For Pakistan you can interchange Iran, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or any number of other Islamic states. It so happened that Pakistan is the current cause celebre as well as is the home of many Muslims in the UK. I find the irony that they feel persecuted at the same time their extended family does vastly worse things to other religions. No introspective "perhaps things here aren't perfect, but are a lot worse elsewhere" or "remove the plank from my own eye before the speck from my neighbours".

[Fragony]

The difference between the two is that you excuse the fundamentalist islam by bringing up the cultural revolution, and would never excuse the cultural revolution by bringing up the fundamentalist islam.

[HoreTore]

I find the irony that they feel persecuted at the same time their extended family does vastly worse things to other religions.

I still don't see why that should affect british laws.

The difference between the two is that you excuse the fundamentalist islam by bringing up the cultural revolution, and would never excuse the cultural revolution by bringing up the fundamentalist islam.

Nonsense.

Does bringing up Gulag excuse the Holocaust? I think not.

[Fragony]

Does bringing up Gulag excuse the Holocaust? I think not.

Neither do I, and I don't feel the need to relativate either

[HoreTore]

There are plenty of communists living in the west who'd like nothing more than to see western civilization crash and burn, just like muslim extremists do. But should that affect our laws?

I know a few people with deep connections with FARC living in Norway, taking advantage of our western civilization while hoping for a collapse of capitalism. but I don't think we should persecute or ban communism because of that. I still believe it is their right to engage in political debate, give their opinions and try to convince others that their opinions are correct.

[Fragony]

There are plenty of communists living in the west who'd like nothing more than to see western civilization crash and burn, just like muslim extremists do. But should that affect our laws?

I know a few people with deep connections with FARC living in Norway, taking advantage of our western civilization while hoping for a collapse of capitalism. but I don't think we should persecute or ban communism because of that. I still believe it is their right to engage in political debate, give their opinions and try to convince others that their opinions are correct.

Who's talking about changing any law? When it comes to these schools in the uk, yes but only because of a loophole in Brittish law. In general, no.

edit: stay away from these FARC guys, they are dangerous. Really. Ideological hobbyism for Che groupies, but the real deal isn't kidding they are just as dangerous as the RAF

[rory_20_uk]

I still don't see why that should affect british laws.

Laws? No. A feeling of gratitude towards one's supposedly adopted country? Yes.

[Furunculus]

Laws? No. A feeling of gratitude towards one's supposedly adopted country? Yes.

agreed.

the aim should always be to naturalise an immigrant group, and if a particular group is resistant to naturalisation then they should be considered less desirable as a target immigrant group.

its called discrimination, and i'm all for it.

we have enough people who bitch and moan about britain already, without importing more.

[HoreTore]

we have enough people who bitch and moan about britain already, without importing more.

Bitching and moaning is a democratic right and duty.

[Furunculus]

Bitching and moaning is a democratic right and duty.

sure, from your citizens.

but it also a responsibility of the state to look to the well-being of its citizens, and that is not achieved by importing an additional bunch of people who will bitch and moan about being british.

a nations prime responsibility is to its own citizens, not justifying the unhappiness of 'natives' now because imports will become natives later.